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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:24 pm to Aggiehoss04
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I guess some people are on a permanent acid trip. Texas needs to start sucking up to the Pac 12 again if they plan to bail. It's the only conference with room for them, tech, and the okie schools. It would be too expensive to join the other power 5 conferences without nearby teams to cut down on travel expenses, and they've pissed off too many SEC schools to get the super majority required.
Texas fans: it doesn't matter because WE ARE TEXAS!
everyone else: so?
guess who has never held a position of authority in life, much less the cards.
hint: money and power, they do what they want to do.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:50 pm to OldSchoolHorn
Money and power are nice, but you need to have leverage and diplomatic relationships with people you want to do business with. You don't have those with SEC schools, and because Dodds mentioned that the big 12 is solvent as long as you stay, you have the political pressure as well as the economic pressure to stay. When 3 of the SEC schools will oppose you automatically, and schools like UF, UGA, SC, and UK will block a second school from a state within the footprint, you are behind the 8 ball to begin with, and 4 no's is all it takes to block your application. Talking big is nice, but know your audience before you say something.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 11:06 pm to Rohan Gravy
texas isn't going to a situation where they can't have full control.
okie isn't leaving a nest on the ground.
Neither would want to get their butts kicked every week in conference play.Can't say I blame them.
okie isn't leaving a nest on the ground.
Neither would want to get their butts kicked every week in conference play.Can't say I blame them.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:05 am to Clark14
I can't imagine the Pac 12 still being an option for Texas and OU.
First, the performance of the Pac 12 has really cratered since this was discussed 6 or so years ago. The League is almost an afterthought.
Second, the Pac 12 culturally has moved even further left in the past several years. I don't see the West Coast teams welcoming the Texas and OU teams without significant "cultural adjustment" on their part.
First, the performance of the Pac 12 has really cratered since this was discussed 6 or so years ago. The League is almost an afterthought.
Second, the Pac 12 culturally has moved even further left in the past several years. I don't see the West Coast teams welcoming the Texas and OU teams without significant "cultural adjustment" on their part.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:06 am to Clark14
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Neither would want to get their butts kicked every week in conference play.Can't say I blame them.
You telling me with a straight face you don’t think OU and Texas could compete in the sec? They aren’t Arkansas genius.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:54 am to dlc83
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I can't imagine the Pac 12 still being an option for Texas and OU. First, the performance of the Pac 12 has really cratered since this was discussed 6 or so years ago. The League is almost an afterthought. Second, the Pac 12 culturally has moved even further left in the past several years. I don't see the West Coast teams welcoming the Texas and OU teams without significant "cultural adjustment" on their part.
I dont know if you have ever been to Austin TX but they would be as happy as a pig in shite in the middle of some super liberal lifestyle. The students from norman, lubbock and stillwater might have to adjust but i assure you the folks in austin would embrace the hell out of it.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:59 am to themicah85
cant compare the current pac 12 to a pac 12 with Texas. I would guess Texas and Texas tech join the pac 12 if they ever leave the big 12, maybe with Houston to really bring in the state. OU and Oklahoma state to the sec
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:07 pm to jb4
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I would guess Texas and Texas tech join the pac 12 if they ever leave the big 12, maybe with Houston to really bring in the state.
Tech and Houston are shite academic schools. I have a hard time seeing the PAC12 take them. Academics aren't a big factor, but it does matter a little bit.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:08 pm to BoerneAg
The pac 12 has Arizona state, Oregon state and Washington state so how can they complain about Texas tech or Houston ?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:09 pm to dlc83
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Actually, the modern day power base of the ACC is UNC Dook UVA
Unfortunately this is correct - especially as long as UNC alum John Swofford is the ACC commish. As UNC AD, he led the campaign to give Clemson an additional year of probation in the 80's for sullying the reputation of the conference; yet, nary a word about the academic scandal at UNC and the possibility of punitive actions against them.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:12 pm to jb4
The SEC doesn't need further expansion.
But, if and when it ever happens again, it needs to be further up the East Coast into ACC country, and the upper seaboard.
With the states of North Carolina and Virginia, both states of which have grown exponentially in recent decades, have high academia, and to further solidify SEC Hoops pedigree. Schools from these two should absolutely be the targets if/when.
UT has always been a primmadonna headache to deal with for all involved, and OU is a barren Indian Nation wastelands that mooches it's program rosters from Tejas.
But, if and when it ever happens again, it needs to be further up the East Coast into ACC country, and the upper seaboard.
With the states of North Carolina and Virginia, both states of which have grown exponentially in recent decades, have high academia, and to further solidify SEC Hoops pedigree. Schools from these two should absolutely be the targets if/when.
UT has always been a primmadonna headache to deal with for all involved, and OU is a barren Indian Nation wastelands that mooches it's program rosters from Tejas.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:13 pm to jb4
Those schools have been PAC members for like 100 years.
I just remember academic standings and AAU status being a factor back in the 2011 realignment. Moreso with the B1G though. They wouldn't entertain any school without AAU membership.
Stanford wasn't thrilled about taking Texas Tech. Even if it meant they got Texas.
I just remember academic standings and AAU status being a factor back in the 2011 realignment. Moreso with the B1G though. They wouldn't entertain any school without AAU membership.
Stanford wasn't thrilled about taking Texas Tech. Even if it meant they got Texas.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:20 pm to themicah85
I have been to Austin and I take your point.
The greater point, however, is that UT is far more than the folks from Austin. Many PAC administrators are not going to have a positive opinion of the State of Texas, many of their alums and their world famous boosters.
The greater point, however, is that UT is far more than the folks from Austin. Many PAC administrators are not going to have a positive opinion of the State of Texas, many of their alums and their world famous boosters.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:32 pm to bXII
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Texas took home the sugar bow trophy and Alabama got it's arse handed to them by clemson. Anything else?
Actually BAMA took home the Orange Bowl trophy. They beat Oklahoma (the team that beat Texas for the Big XII championship).
Posted on 4/22/19 at 1:07 pm to dlc83
Also there is the law that keeps California public money (aka of the public colleges in the PAC) from spending money in Texas thanks to the bathroom bill we passed. That alone basically ended PAC 12 expansion.
The obvious choice for Texas is the ACC as they could join halfway like Notre Dame did and keep their network (whose contract outlives any conference deal).
Or given how weak the PAC has been maybe the Big 12 has the leverage to outright poach its easternmost teams (aka the Arizona ones) to get back to 12.
The obvious choice for Texas is the ACC as they could join halfway like Notre Dame did and keep their network (whose contract outlives any conference deal).
Or given how weak the PAC has been maybe the Big 12 has the leverage to outright poach its easternmost teams (aka the Arizona ones) to get back to 12.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 1:55 pm to Aggiehoss04
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you need to have leverage and diplomatic relationships with people you want to do business with
Texas doesn't want to do business with the SEC.
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Talking big is nice, but know your audience before you say something.
So says the aggy, irony at it's finest.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:26 pm to Boomer00
The SEC is significantly stronger than the texas 12.
Compete?Sure,cakewalk to 10 or 11 wins each season,not likely.
Heck,texas is struggling where they are and okie can't make it past the the first round of the playoffs.
But keep your head up their butts.
Compete?Sure,cakewalk to 10 or 11 wins each season,not likely.
Heck,texas is struggling where they are and okie can't make it past the the first round of the playoffs.
But keep your head up their butts.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:37 pm to Toroballistic
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Actually BAMA took home the Orange Bowl trophy. They beat Oklahoma (the team that beat Texas for the Big XII championship).
Yeah, that was a dumb post considering that the SEC went 3-1 in NY6 bowls. Not our fault that Georgia predictability choked again in a big game.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:18 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Texas doesn't want to do business with the SEC.
Then go back to your big 12 board, if it exists
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Talking big is nice, but know your audience before you say something.
So says the aggy, irony at it's finest.
Hate to break it to you but we know what we are talking about. You don't have leverage here, and you're not wanted either. You're just the college version of Al Bundy-you are living off the memories of a bygone era to feel relevant. You are so desperate for attention that you desperately pick a fight on a conference message board that you have zero ties to. Now go back to your basement, put in your tape of VY or the 27-25 2011 game and pretend to be relevant
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