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re: Brent Venables gets new 6 year contract
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:18 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:18 pm to DawginSC
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My only question is... why?
Why not? If you can’t see the changes it just means you are not aware.
Tx coach after his first 2 years:
Steve Sarkisian (through 2 seasons at Texas)
Big 12 record: 9-9
Conf. Titles: 0
Conf. Title Appearances: 0
Bowl Wins: 0 (Still doesn’t have one even now in his 3rd year SMH)
And:
Michigan extended Jim Harbaugh after the 2020 season, in which the Wolverines went 2-4. Harbaugh won a national title three years later.
If you fully believe that you have the right guy at the helm of your program, it’s more than okay to put your money where your mouth is.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:27 pm to Gunga Din
You don’t have to suck ip to SeC fans my goodness you are so wrong. Players only came for one event but not anything else. Riley didn’t want ex players around because he wanted to feel like he was in charge. You mention one event show me all the practices and other events where all these ex players attended.
Who gives a rats arse about Rileys winning percentage. He choked every time it mattered. And got worse every year after Bobs players started leaving. And he was gifted the best run of transfer QBs any coach in history has ever seen! And choked it all away. Baker/Kyler/Jalen. And you want to talk about percentage lol. He was a limp wristed coach who snaked away in the wee hours.
And who cares about usc. Again, Riley had another Heisman qb and pissed it away at Usc. He was a shite coach who got worse as Bobs players left. And BV walked into shite.
Who gives a rats arse about Rileys winning percentage. He choked every time it mattered. And got worse every year after Bobs players started leaving. And he was gifted the best run of transfer QBs any coach in history has ever seen! And choked it all away. Baker/Kyler/Jalen. And you want to talk about percentage lol. He was a limp wristed coach who snaked away in the wee hours.
And who cares about usc. Again, Riley had another Heisman qb and pissed it away at Usc. He was a shite coach who got worse as Bobs players left. And BV walked into shite.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 3:33 am to OU Guy
I am glad now I know our coach is safe lol
Posted on 6/22/24 at 4:07 am to OU Guy
46 million over 6 years nice retirement package either way it goes.
Not sure how much these coaches agents get paid but I’m sure way too much.
Not sure how much these coaches agents get paid but I’m sure way too much.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 4:10 am to CharlotteSooner
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To his credit, he has gotten rid of everything that was holding us back.
He had the balls to purge and overturn an entire roster his predecessor left in shambles.
He has demonstrated the nutsack to get rid of underperforming coaches (and players), which neither of his predecessors would do when needed.
And probably most importantly, he re-installed an Oklahoma Football culture that has been sorely missing for probably 15 years or so of us bumbling around in the wilderness trying to be some better version of tech.
All the trash has been taken out, and the cupboard re-stocked on both sides of the ball. He has made all the right moves so far.
Well, ok. And I'm cool with all of that. I actually rather agree. But results equal results. This extension and raise does not equal results up this point. Not yet it hasn't.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 4:46 am to OU Guy
Posted on 6/22/24 at 6:12 am to DawgsLife
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Gotta say...I'm surprised. I could understand 2 years..maybe 3 years, but 6? It does send a message to recruits, but to give somebody that much time and he hasn't done much yet....seems odd.
Here's something a Georgia fan might want to try and put his head around, Venables can recruit. In this league, it is half of the equation as most of you should know. When the cupboard is full of recruits, patients getting to the top of the mountain is extended. Think Kirby Smart.
He is a supreme defensive coach. He cares about the LOS in his coaching style. Think Kirby Smart.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 6:17 am to Jrv2damac
Not remotely apples to apples. You have cripple fights in the Big Whatever conf.
In the SEC, any team can have their a$$ lit up by another if they aren't prepared.
Well...except for Vandy.
In the SEC, any team can have their a$$ lit up by another if they aren't prepared.
Well...except for Vandy.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 6:35 am to Houag80
Interesting to extend him when there was no reason to do so.
Their schedule is pretty salty this season. Fans not going to like that extension if they go 7-5.
Their schedule is pretty salty this season. Fans not going to like that extension if they go 7-5.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 7:03 am to ouflak
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trying to be some better version of tech.
This is a great description of ou.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 9:23 am to bamameister
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Here's something a Georgia fan might want to try and put his head around, Venables can recruit. In this league, it is half of the equation as most of you should know. When the cupboard is full of recruits, patients getting to the top of the mountain is extended. Think Kirby Smart.
He is a supreme defensive coach. He cares about the LOS in his coaching style. Think Kirby Smart.
Very well stated. Of course results matter but OU does not chase coaches they tend to stick with it for a long time as another poster pointed out. OU is looking at the long haul.
And like you said a HC has a lot of other duties. One is recruiting and he checks that block. He’s done great and brought in quality classez.
Another is booster and donors. You need their engagement to get more dollars which BV has done. Riley chased some away but Brent brought them back plus some. Thats a big deal.
And getting ex players involved is another biggie which he’s done. He has an open door for any of them at any time.
And then he created the SOUL program which is a huge hit with players and their parents. Some have said it was the deciding factor in school choice. They just recently partnered with several businesses all over the US for micro internships. Ex Players make up and run it. They are at all practices and meetings. This is to help players after college whether they get in NFL or public life. It was BVs idea and he actually demanded it before he accepted the job.
So when looking at a bigger picture the BOR added 2 years and bumped his pay a bit for his “overall” accomplishments. Brent has reestablished a culture that was lacking under Riley. He has set the program up for long term. He has brought way more money into the program than his pay.
I know some schools only look at win/loss and they end up chasing coaches endlessly over time. OU likes to keep them and create stability. Look at our softball coach she now has 8 titles. But she didn’t start off that way. 30+ years. Our mens BB would have fired at most schools but OU is giving him a 4th year. Our gymnastics coach is best in country and stable for years. Women's basketball kept prior coach way too long but her replacement is now in her 4 year and teams better watch out for her she is getting them really good. Baseball is similar in not making rash decisions and Skip had us in title games 2 years ago and regionals this year.
OU gives coaches more time than most and it pays off more times than most. This extension/increase was about lots more than W/L. We also know our record will be worse this year yet the team better. Admin understands those dynamics. So a worse record will not cause a knee jerk reaction. Context is always the key
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:24 am to OU Guy
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You don’t have to suck ip to SeC fans my goodness you are so wrong.
I'm not sucking up to anybody...
I'm just tired of this narrative that Riley left the program in shambles.
He didn't.
You said that former players weren't coming back. I showed that they did in an event that was actually at the end of Riley's tenure.
This idea of how Brent had to "gut" the program is just ridiculous.
In 2022 there were still 49 scholarship Riley players on the roster and the narrative then was how great Brent was because he got all those guys to stay. Against Nebraska (the high point of the season) 20 of the 22 starters were Riley players.
And yes, there was an exodus of guys who were NEVER going to play for Brent before 2023. But you see this in Any program that has a coaching change. Even at that... There were STILL 21 Riley guys on the '23 team. And about 11 of those guys were starters.
And despite your claims that he didn't leave OU any talent. There are five defensive starters that are Riley recruits on THIS year's defense. And Farooq starts on offense.
Winning percentage matters because it shows consistency over time. To gripe about how they didn't win championships in the playoffs is a really high bar.
I won't argue that the program was slipping... but the idea that it was destitute... Just because Brent had a bad year in year one is flat out BS.
Finally, I brought up USC because a guy like you would laugh at a USC fan who was claiming that Clay Helton "gutted" the program... and Riley just needed time to fix it.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:30 am to DalenSA
Yuck. Seems like a dumb move. Why not let him play one season in SEC?
These coaches are getting raises without any type of performance to show for it. Modern college sucks.
OU will likely regret it, just like we learned in a painful way with Fisher. Yet, everyone is handing out massivr contract extensions with little performance to support it. Sark was given an extension for having one good single season in the Big 12! That is all crazy IMO.
Ags learned their lessons. Apparently that is now the new model adopted by all the other dumbass ADs and boards.
These coaches are getting raises without any type of performance to show for it. Modern college sucks.
OU will likely regret it, just like we learned in a painful way with Fisher. Yet, everyone is handing out massivr contract extensions with little performance to support it. Sark was given an extension for having one good single season in the Big 12! That is all crazy IMO.
Ags learned their lessons. Apparently that is now the new model adopted by all the other dumbass ADs and boards.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:51 am to FootsFanatic
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OU will likely regret it, just like we learned in a painful way with Fisher.
Do you mean TAMU doesn't have a history of this stuff? Didn't TAMU give Kevin Sumlin a new 6-year contract after year 2? It was also the 2nd new contract in the last 11 months, at the time. No West division no SEC championship, no playoff. They did beat BAMA and USC was looking for a head coach after the firing of Lane Kiffin. Bam, 6-year, 30 million dollar contract in 2013.
By the way, this is how TAMU's AD stated it.
Was That Contract Hyman’s decision?
“No. I had nothing to do with it,” Hyman told me in an interview on Wednesday morning at a Starbucks near his home in Fort Worth.
“I have done this job a long time and I don’t blame Kevin Sumlin. If someone is going to give you $5 million a year for six years, it would have been stupid of him to turn it down,” Hyman said. “But the contract was given to me, and it was ‘This is what we are going to do.’ I looked at myself and I was stunned.
“I had no say so over it. I’ve been doing this job for a long time. I had worked with Steve Spurrier for years, and he was paid a heck of a lot less than Coach Sumlin. And he won national championships after conference championships. And then you are making this commitment to a person, and again I don’t blame Kevin, that’s never won a conference championship.
“When the original contract was given to me, if Kevin were to leave the next day there was no buyout provision."
I would suggest that TAMU is a repeat offender in jumping the shark.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:52 am to Whentheleveebreaks
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Interesting to extend him when there was no reason to do so. Their schedule is pretty salty this season. Fans not going to like that extension if they go 7-5.
Personally I think they like him, but would’ve liked to wait. Due to their schedule being tough and probably resulting in a 7-5 type year, it’s hard to justify doing it after next season. Get it done now with less push back.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 10:57 am to FootsFanatic
I don't think this decision has the bearing that posters on here think it does. It is essentially just a two-year extension with a comparatively moderate raise with the rest of the SEC coaches. If he underperforms, OU will not tolerate it. We don't sit on our hands with the same complacency for mediocrity that Texas A&M seems to do consistently.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:18 am to Gunga Din
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I'm just tired of this narrative that Riley left the program in shambles.
How wrong you are.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:10 pm to DhanTigers212
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16-10 Head Coaching Record
0-2 Bowl Games
Extension worthy?
Well he had to clean up Lincoln's mess and also losing his starting QB for the season in year 1.
And bowl record doesn't mean anything anymore. Tom Herman went 4-0 in bowls at Texas and still got fired.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:13 pm to GoGators1995
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Tom Herman went 4-0 in bowls at Texas and still got fired.
We at least waited until he made it to the Big 12 championship before we extended him.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 12:21 pm to TexasOnTop
After a 9-3 regular season.
OU went 10-2 last year.
OU went 10-2 last year.
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