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Brent Venables Analysis
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:52 am
He is a good defensive coach overall. However, his stats are racked up against the ACC. Go back and look at his three most recent playoff games, two against OSU and the LSU game. His defense, after essentially leading the country against the ACC, gave up an average of 600 yards in those three games. My point being that his defense does not necessarily “travel” when it hits quality teams as he will see each week in the SEC. Just a thought.
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:54 am to Buyugurl
I don't love the hire but if he gets lebby i like it a whole lot more.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:57 am to Chalkywhite84
This.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:01 pm to Buyugurl
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I don't love the hire but if he gets lebby i like it a whole lot more.
Reminds me a little of the Ron Zook hire. Seems a little out-of-character for such an offensive minded program.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:08 pm to Hayt
quote:Hasn't always been that way for OU, though. If they were going to overhaul their philosophy going forward, this was probably as good a time to do so as any.
such an offensive minded program.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:10 pm to Buyugurl
I mean LSU had the greatest offense of all time right?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:23 pm to Hayt
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offensive minded program
OU has been “offensive minded” for a very short period of time compared to its 6 decades of some of the best defenses ever. 73-75 defenses people forget were possibly the best ever. The 2000 defense is up there. Shut out the best FSU offense ever with a heisman winner etc..2008/2009 defenses were very elite. It’ll be nice to see it again. The Texas tech offense with a heisman winner and pitiful defense hasn’t gotten it done for over a decade, and Riley was taking the culture further and further from that.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:26 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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I mean LSU had the greatest offense of all time right?
Without a doubt.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:28 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
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I mean LSU had the greatest offense of all time right?
No shite. That 15-0 LSU team was outlier. They went through the SEC like a hot knife through butter.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:29 pm to Buyugurl
They just hired a guy they previously fired and that's never been a head coach. 
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:31 pm to cyde
Wasn’t Venables their DC around 2000-2002 when OU had the best defenses in the country? Arkansas played them in the Cotton Bowl one year and OU made Matt Jones a complete non-factor. Probably the only team I can remember shutting him down for an entire game.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:33 pm to Buyugurl
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Go back and look at his three most recent playoff games, two against OSU and the LSU game.
So two games against a team that is pretty much always one of the 5-10 best offenses in CFB, and one against the best offense ever in CFB, in a playoff environment lol.
Great defenses just aren't stopping great offenses anymore. They are too wide open and the rules favor the offense too much.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:34 pm to cramps
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They just hired a guy they previously fired and that's never been a head coach
Venables was a victim of nepotism. As I recall, Stoops hired his brother who had been recently fired from his HC gig at at one of the Arizona schools as co-DC and Venables had an opportunity to get away from that no-win situation. It worked out ok.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:37 pm to Boomer00
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73-75 defenses people forget were possibly the best ever.
The question is… would we all relish them…?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:40 pm to Buyugurl
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He is a good defensive coach overall.
He has been very innovative with his hyper Dime scheme. But it has also made Clemson light in the pants and many a good offense has moved the ball on the ground. Sometimes way too much.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:50 pm to TrussvilleTide
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Great defenses just aren't stopping great offenses anymore. They are too wide open and the rules favor the offense too much
Tru dat---and throw in as a general starter, offenses
know what they want to do, defense has to guess.
Venables may be just what OU needs to build back
after Riley's pillaging job.
BOOM ! BOOM !
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:15 pm to BamaRoo
HUUUUuge upgrade at HC......
You all have no idea what a shyyyte show LR created, it devolved from great program when Stoops handed it over to this year 4 players arrested for armed robbery, crap offense, did not even make the CCG,.....l. You all are remembering what Stoops handed off not what LR did to the program......
LR picked a soft SC coach , 5 stars were not working out, and staff did nothing, this one thing hurt the culture greatly.....
Venables is tough, organized, detail oriented ..a polar opposite of what we had....
You all have no idea what a shyyyte show LR created, it devolved from great program when Stoops handed it over to this year 4 players arrested for armed robbery, crap offense, did not even make the CCG,.....l. You all are remembering what Stoops handed off not what LR did to the program......
LR picked a soft SC coach , 5 stars were not working out, and staff did nothing, this one thing hurt the culture greatly.....
Venables is tough, organized, detail oriented ..a polar opposite of what we had....
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:18 pm to Buyugurl
He's only a name because of the 2018 NC game.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:27 pm to beaverfever
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Wasn’t Venables their DC around 2000-2002 when OU had the best defenses in the country? Arkansas played them in the Cotton Bowl one year and OU made Matt Jones a complete non-factor. Probably the only team I can remember shutting him down for an entire game.
He was co-defensive coordinator with Mike Stoops. Houston Nutt said it was probably the best defense he had ever faced after that game.
We were better defensively in 2001 than 2000 but offense was considerably worse because it was an offensive line rebuilding year. It also didn't help that Jason White had his first ACL tear. That Arkansas game was a defensive struggle on both sides.
The other thing I remember is that we intentionally violated the halo rule several times which didn't make Arkansas fans happy.
To understand the Venables departure, you have to consider some history. OU had outstanding defenses with the Mike Stoops and Venables team. In 2003 we were undefeated and blowing everyone out. Then Mike took the job at Arizona. Nobody gave Kansas State a chance in the Big 12 title game but they blew us out 35-7. Then we followed that up with a 21-14 loss to LSU.
Add in the blowout to USC the next year and some people (including myself) were beginning to wonder if Mike Stoops was the real genius. In the 2010's the defenses started slipping so Bob Stoops wanted to bring back the Mike/Brent combo that worked so well. Venables considered it a demotion and left.
Obviously that was a huge mistake as Venables went on to do great things at Clemson and Mike Stoops was a complete failure his second stint at OU.
But, anyway, Venables was not fired nor was it an intentional demotion but he did understandably take it that way.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:42 pm to Zgeo
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HUUUUuge upgrade at HC......
You all have no idea what a shyyyte show LR created, it devolved from great program when Stoops handed it over to this year 4 players arrested for armed robbery, crap offense, did not even make the CCG,.....l. You all are remembering what Stoops handed off not what LR did to the program......
LR picked a soft SC coach , 5 stars were not working out, and staff did nothing, this one thing hurt the culture greatly.....
Venables is tough, organized, detail oriented ..a polar opposite of what we had....
Yeah I think Riley knew he was about to be exposed so he jumped ship. He can blame it on lack of talent for the first couple of years at USC before they start realizing they were conned.
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