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re: BOOM! WSU's Response To Players That Support PAC-12 Player's Demands
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:39 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:39 pm to magildachunks
So what about all those students actually paying for their education and undertaking, often times, significant debt to get a degree? To use the slavery analogy doesn’t work here. These athletes are getting a free education that gives them opportunities to support themselves and families after they graduate, largely without the debt load that many, if not most students, have when they graduate.
No one is forcing them to play. They can choose not to play and they can pay for tuition, room and board, health insurance, and student loans, just like those who are not athletes.
No one is forcing them to play. They can choose not to play and they can pay for tuition, room and board, health insurance, and student loans, just like those who are not athletes.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 1:40 pm
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Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The entire issue with the premise of making demands like this is that the players need the universities more than the universities need the individual players.
There will always be players.
You are right
Partially
The UNIVERSITIES don't need the Players
The ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS at those Universities absolutely need the Players
The University and the Athl Depts are 2 different entities with different operating needs
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:47 pm to tigerinridgeland
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So what about all those students actually paying for their education and undertaking, often times, significant debt to get a degree?
Those regular students incurring debt to get a degree are not combining to bring in $50million every year in TV-Radio Money that goes to the Athl Dept and enriches a lot of Coaches and Administrators
When talking about the BUSINESS of big time College Sports never mention Regular Students
Regular Students are immaterial to this discussion!
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:49 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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The ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS at those Universities absolutely need the Players
No they dont.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:53 pm to J2thaROC
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If they are good enough, some other team will absolutely grab them up. That’s how supply and demand works.
Why?
Those teams can't meet their demands either.
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Key word being “job”. College football is not a “job”.
bullshite.
They just get scholarships, stipends, and other benefits instead of a literal paycheck.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:56 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
You are welcome to your opinion. But no one forces anyone to play football in college. It is a choice. You play or don’t, it is up to you. If you don’t have the leverage to change the rules, then you either play or don’t. But regardless, football players are privileged, many get extra benefits under the table. They generally graduate debt free. A very select few actually become professional athletes. They work hard, sure, and some schools do profit, but most schools either barely break even or lose money. And I will mention regular students because that is why the institutions exist in the first place. Without them, there would be no BUSINESS of college football.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:57 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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it would cripple college football greatly.
In that case then ...
Permanently
Posted on 8/3/20 at 1:59 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
How much money do regular students bring to the universities? What is their economic value to the universities? You are being myopic.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
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They want to get paid at the expense of the hundreds of other student athletes at their school. frick them and their demands.
Please tell this message board about how much money in Revenues do those hundreds of other Athletes bring in to the Athl Dept?
Maybe those hundreds of other Athletes should generate some REVENUES instead of massive LOSSES and then folks like me might be sympathetic to their plight
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:21 pm to tigerinridgeland
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How much money do regular students bring to the universities?
A SHITLOAD.Lets see,what exactly is the average annual cost for a student at an SEC school?
Lets say the average is 40k per year with an enrollment of 20k undergrads/grad students.Comes to about $800 million annually.Hell,bring that cost number down to 30K or even 20k if you like.Its still 100's of millions of dollars.
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You are being myopic
Who's being myopic?
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:22 pm to tigerinridgeland
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How much money do regular students bring to the universities? What is their economic value to the universities? You are being myopic
I have no idea
But we all have a very good idea of how much Money the 100 FB & MBB Players bring in, not to mention the free TV exposure and "Goodwill" that they generate for the University
Why not just admit the obvious, Revenue Athletes are different from regular students
There's no way that 85 regular Undergrads could combine to do ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET that could result in an Academic Dept Head earning $9million dollars per year, if that doesn't show you how different these Revenue Athletes are, then nothing will
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:29 pm to lsufball19
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Um, that's exactly how it works at a State university, just on a larger scale.
Taxpayers don't fund any P5 Athl Dept
They fund themselves independent of the University mainly from FB & MBB Revenues, donations used to be important , but donations are no longer the main source of Revenue of college Athl Depts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:30 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
The WSU player who supposedly recorded his conversation with his coach.
WA is a TWO PARTY state
Did he announce his intention to record the call and get permission from his coach?
WA is a TWO PARTY state
Did he announce his intention to record the call and get permission from his coach?
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:34 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
No way a minor league football league makes as much money as college football does. No way
No one is going to give a shite. Period. For whatever reason people care about LSU vs. Bama and will watch. People don't care as much about the name on the back as much as the name on the front
Now the players might get a salary for 20 to 40 thousand a year, but that probably isn't the equivalent of a scholarship at a power 5 school.
I think these players are making a huge miscalculation of how much playing for a school with a huge following benefits them. Its basically free marketing and exposure to millions and millions of people across the country.
I really wonder if a player like Johnathan Taylor from Wisconsin would have been anything if he had to play for the Sioux City Raiders class A minor league team (or even made it to one)
No one is going to give a shite. Period. For whatever reason people care about LSU vs. Bama and will watch. People don't care as much about the name on the back as much as the name on the front
Now the players might get a salary for 20 to 40 thousand a year, but that probably isn't the equivalent of a scholarship at a power 5 school.
I think these players are making a huge miscalculation of how much playing for a school with a huge following benefits them. Its basically free marketing and exposure to millions and millions of people across the country.
I really wonder if a player like Johnathan Taylor from Wisconsin would have been anything if he had to play for the Sioux City Raiders class A minor league team (or even made it to one)
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:38 pm to Che Boludo
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College sports is and should always be about amateur athletics. The cost of college has certainly risen alongside the increase in athletic revenue from the NCAA. The cost of a scholarship and everything that goes into support of a player is astronomical, even at smaller universities. Simply because the system is more profitable now than in the past doesn't mean the "labor force" is more entitled to larger wages, which I’d argue they are already receiving in spades comparatively to decades past
So the players aren't entitled to "larger wages" yet you mention nothing about HCs getting larger wages, based on the Eras that you referenced above my guess is that Top HCs made $75K back then and yet the top HCs make $9 million now
You find religion when the Players want larger wages to coincide with the Billions in TV-Radio Money that has been pumped into the P5 colleges, but the coaches can get their larger wages and you didn't even mention that aspect at all
Hmm I wonder why?
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:45 pm to auburn22
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What should be done is the NCAA should tell player that they are welcome to go to the NFL. The NFL is pros (getting pay) college football is amateur. Player can go to the NFL right out of high school. If a player hires a agent or goes to a NFL tryouts and get cut the player is no longer eligible for college. It that simple let the one's that want paid leave
Since you think that solution above is the way to deal with things do you believe that the NCAA under the auspices of Amateurism should cap HC pay at $500K and then tell the coaches that if they want more Money they need to coach in the NFL?
My guess is that you don't believe Coaches should be treated that way
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:48 pm to tigerinridgeland
Just ran the numbers for ole miss and it’s roughly 285 million off tuition alone.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 2:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It isnt like football players work any harder than other athletes.
They just happen to play a more popular sport.
They don't happen to play more popular Sport
They make it popular because they are able to generate excitement with their elite Athletic skills
You have to change your position and agree with me, if you don't then you're gonna have to also admit that Saban doesn't deserve that $9 Million per year, "he just happens to coach a more popular Sport"
Oops you left yourself exposed, that's gonna leave a bruise
Still wanna stick with your "they play a more popular sport" bullshite?
If so apply that same ideology to the big Money coaches
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:16 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
I root for the jersey and whoever is wearing it. If the current player doesn't want the job there are plenty waiting in line. If I had gone to Harvard or Yale, I would have just as much fun watching those games as I do the Gators.
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:18 pm to kajunman
There is not an 18 year old HS senior who would even make a practice squad
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