re: Big10 commissioner says he sees them going to 20 teams

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By waiting too long to act. If Warren is saying they will go to 20 he already has negotiated those and is ready to act.
Sankey may already be doing this, I could be wrong of course, but it appears to me that Sankey was caught flat footed with his dick in hand while Warren is banging the entire cheerleader squad.
Texas and OU don't show up until 2025....if they aren't part of Warren's balance of teams. Wouldn't that e a twist of fate. What a cluster, lol.

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I don't think so. I think it's just an admission of where this thing is headed.

The SEC wants, and the B1G might want, some ACC schools if they expand again, but the ACC is locked up for a while. The SEC wants in North Carolina and Virginia eventually.

The B1G has options. They could go West + 1 and get Stanford, Oregon, Washington, and Notre Dame. That's probably a home run. Or, they could carve up the ACC with the SEC and get at least UVA (who sees themselves as more of a Big 10 rather than an SEC peer institution) and others.

UNC is the SEC's Notre Dame. That's who we want more than anyone else. We'd almost certainly put up with NC State or Duke to get them.

That would suck for eastern time zone away game starts on west coast. National games would start at ~10:30-11. Sheesh.

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If the SEC goes to 20 teams, the east/west sides will surely operate like their own leagues for the most part in minor sports. Or at least like divisions used to when the SEC was at 12. Cross division play will be limited in the regular season.

Texas
OU
TAMU
Mizzou
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Miss State
and either AU, UA or Vandy, UT in a "western conference".

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I don't see that. If the SEC goes to 20 and BIG10 to 20, it will be more like a Mini NFL, basically a semi-pro league.

The Big10 Commissioner (Kevin Warren) came out of the NFL. With the money they are making, they might be in the drivers seat now calling the shots, with the SEC (Sankey) 2nd fiddle.

With to 20 team leagues, you have the College NFC and AFC. You can do 4 5 team divisions in each league. Then have a playoff in each league to determine who plays for the College/semi Pro league version of the Superbowl.

So lets say OU/Texas/Texas A&M/Mizzou and Arkansas are in 1 division (SEC-West). Those teams play every year and play 5 Teams from one of the other 3 SEC divisions, and those divisions rotate year 1, 2, and 3. That is 9 games. You can leave it at that and have 3 OOC games, but why would you give up TV $$$$. So SEC West plus 5 teams from SEC Central who far the sake of argument is (Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, Auburn and LSU). and then if you are say Texas A&M and you finished 4th in the SEC West, you would play the 4th place team from the other 2 SEC Divisions for 11 games leaving 1 OOC game.

Before someone goes 11 SEC games, doesn't matter, you win your Division you are in the SEC 4 team playoff. So that is 12 regular season games plus 2 SEC playoff games for 14 plus the winner of the SEC vs. the winner of the BIG for the College/Semi Pro Superbowl.

Too much $$$ to give up for the SEC, for example LSU to play a regular season with ULM, ULL and McNeese as 3 of their games.

But bigtime OOC games are going to be rare once the 2 Super Leagues are finally formed.

That is my take

It does sound gay.

As a middle aged Arkansas fan, we've been in the SEC for 3/4 of my lifetime. But at least I know there's some connection to the Texas schools historically.

This conference expansion stuff has to be really strange for some of y'all.

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Do we throw a lifeline to someone in the Pac to expand the footprint? Probably not. I think we need to go after the ACC. Move up the east coast and bring in Miami, Clemson, North Carolina, & Virginia. It adds 2 more states and leaves only FSU, GT, Wake, Duke, & VT for the Big Ten to consider.

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ACC schools can't go anywhere until 2036 unless the conference dissolved, thanks to their Grant of Rights. I don't want to expand further, but if the SEC does, ACC schools would be the logical targets. Let the Big Ten get to 20 by taking West Coast schools and making their conference even more unmanageable. When the ACC GoR expires, the SEC can then take it's pick of ACC schools, if we conclude that we need more members.

Let them dilute their product even more and spread to Canada for all we care.

We will take what we want, when we want. (Clemson; FSU; a Va and NC program? Sure if it makes sense).

It is about money. But good football within our footprint is about money too. Don’t go adding Boston college and Oregon.


I’d keep it at 16 unless we add schools that would help the bottom line divided by the total.

Football was best when we had ~12 team leagues.




This is not a troll either due to leaving some teams out of sec, but football would get back to regionality if we had six 10-team leagues. Granted, Miami is not regional with the big east. But it worked back then.

Also some teams have to go. Kansas schools. Tcu, cincy etc.

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Warren is still reacting to what the SEC did. He is scrambling trying to appear to stay ahead of the changes. Just like when he said playoffs were expanding to 16 which has not been talked about yet in serious conversation around the league but it made him look like he was in the know just like now with expanding.

Even with their new TV deal it will not make a better product on the field.

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Not so sure. IF all those excellent QB's out of California start playing for USC and UCLA and sign with B1G schools vs. SEC (think of all the QB's recently from QB including your starting QB, Corral last year at Ole Miss, LSU's this year with Daniels, etc) or ACC, etc, the product can change quickly.

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Do we throw a lifeline to someone in the Pac to expand the footprint?

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In no scenario should we ever entertain P12 schools joining this conference. That would be a terrible fit.

The only move the SEC could make right now would be westward (think Arizona schools) and that makes no sense for this league. Wait out the end of the decade and the SEC will be able to pick whomever from the ACC. There is something to be said for exclusivity, jumping to 20 just to do so seems foolish

I think we’re going to loot the ACC for four more. I just wonder who?

Someone pointed out that the SEC has consciously maintained a regional identity, and I think that actually improves the viability of the conference from a revenue perspective, because even people outside the South can appreciate the glimpse into a different side of the US. You keep most of the camaraderie and pageantry that the SEC had when its meteoric rise to the top began 15 years ago, while everyone else is sacrificing any cohesive identity for short term gains and hype. Realistically, that means scooping up some of the Southern schools from the ACC. Clemson, Florida State, and Virginia Tech are good cultural fits that have real potential in football. Who’s #4? Miami seems like they’d be very out of place, Georgia Tech has declined considerably. North Carolina perhaps?