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Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:23 pm to Buckeye06
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I've heard a stat and not sure it is true, so I thought maybe you'd know since you looked up this. Is it true that without OSU, the B1G overall has a winning record against the SEC in bowl games? I know OSU obviously counts and they are one of the B1Gs best of all time, but I heard that recently and had no idea
I only did it since the inception of the BCS as the conference alignment of each team is listed in the results. To go back further muddies the waters with all of the additions to the conferences.
All BCS Era Bowl Results by Year
The SEC is 22-17 against the Big Ten in the BCS era in bowl games. Take out Ohio State and it is 18-16. A lot of the losses on both sides were tough, hard fought games. Overall, it has been a great bowl series. I will add that the SEC has clearly had the upper hand in the series since 2010. Until then it very tight.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 8:20 pm to VABuckeye
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bullshite. The argument is let's see how your team does in adverse conditions. It's ok for you to say let them come down and play in 95/95 but when the reverse is used you call BS. Well, I call BS on your BS.
No, my team doesn't need an advantage. Playing at an indoor stadium in January isn't an advantage, no matter how hard you ridiculous Big Ten fans try to spin it.
You NEED severe weather unfamiliar to the other team to compete. We don't. We don't need heat, just playable conditions.
Phht.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 8:23 pm to sbrian3915
Indiana, Illinois vs Kentucky and/ or Vandy?
Posted on 8/8/13 at 8:59 pm to scrooster
11-5....UF owns that big ten arse
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:11 am to Patton
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We actually played PSU every year from 81 to 90
Yep, but PSU didn't join the Big Ten until the early 90's so those probably don't get counted in Bama's record against Big Ten teams.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:44 am to IAmReality
I always think its misses the point to complain about the weather when it comes to bowl games. Bowl games after all are played in the winter and it isn't like the northern teams are suffering through the heat of August.
An obvious problem with playing more bowl games in nothern climates with cold weather conditions is attendance. Really just not that many fans have an interest in being uncomfortable in cold weather. The schools would lose money having to pay for tickets that went unsold and the fans would be unhappy with a venue that wasn't going to be enjoyable to visit.
An obvious problem with playing more bowl games in nothern climates with cold weather conditions is attendance. Really just not that many fans have an interest in being uncomfortable in cold weather. The schools would lose money having to pay for tickets that went unsold and the fans would be unhappy with a venue that wasn't going to be enjoyable to visit.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:00 am to KillerNut9
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The only thing with an Ohio State home and home is that I'd prefer for the SEC team to visit Columbus in November. Want to see how they handle the cold.
I imagine they would do fine. Columbus isn't that much colder than Lexington and it doesn't normally get cold enough in Nov to worry about as far as playing football.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:03 am to scrooster
The only thing with an Ohio State home and home is that I'd prefer for the SEC team to visit Columbus in November. Want to see how they handle the cold.
Deal you do opener in Baton Rouge in August September and we will play in the damn snow.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:17 am to TutHillTiger
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The only thing with an Ohio State home and home is that I'd prefer for the SEC team to visit Columbus in November. Want to see how they handle the cold
1) This should have been quoted in your post.
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Deal you do opener in Baton Rouge in August September and we will play in the damn snow.
2)This has already been said. In fact your post is so close to word for word, I had to check the previous post, to make sure you didn't forget to quote this part as well.
3) you replied to the wrong poster
Please go back to annoying everyone on the Johnny jar crack thread?
Posted on 8/9/13 at 4:43 am to Nguyening
The SEC has a 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th place team playing BIG 10 teams in bowls. Big 10 teams live for bowl games in Fla. The big 3 SEC teams(LSU, Bama, and UF) couldn't give a rats arse about any bowl game in the sunshine state. The SEC, and more importantly, schools like LSU dont give a damn about the BIG 10. As an LSU grad, it's BCS title game or bust. Playing OSU is about as gratifying as playing TCU. Or the Rose Bowl.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 6:16 am to CMACLSU
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As an LSU grad, it's BCS title game or bust
Going to be a lot of busts for LSU for the forseeable future
Posted on 8/9/13 at 6:41 am to SpartyGator
Why do you say that? We're 2 years removed from the title game and a 4th quarter meltdown from goin back. The winner of the LSU Bama game should win the natl title. I say should.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 8:54 am to CMACLSU
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The SEC has a 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th place team playing BIG 10 teams in bowls.
bullshite. You can look it up. The Big Ten teams play up as much as the SEC teams in their bowl matchups. But let's not let something like facts cloud the discussion.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:06 am to VABuckeye
I don't know if it's already been stated on this thread, but USC is undefeated against OhioSt, winning both matchups that occurred since 2000. We did lose to Iowa though, but then again we also did beat Michigan and Nebraska the past couple years.
So USC is 4-1 against the Big1G during the BCS era.
So USC is 4-1 against the Big1G during the BCS era.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:26 am to VABuckeye
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bullshite. You can look it up. The Big Ten teams play up as much as the SEC teams in their bowl matchups. But let's not let something like facts cloud the discussion.
I actually agree with you here. Every time I see a fan of either the SEC or Big Ten start comparing "conference position" of bowl teams, it usually turns into more logical gymnastics than fact.
The two conferences historically are very competitive to each other. Only recently has the SEC been more dominant, but I expect this cycle to shift eventually.
Good luck getting most SEC fans to admit that - but then again, good luck getting most Big Ten fans to challenge their perception that the SEC is a bunch of rich redneck cheaters posing as universities.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:46 am to Crimson Legend
The mental gymnastics usually comes about b/c after the bowl, the teams can be evaluated differently. The winning team looks better and the losing team looks worse compared to the other team. Occasionally, there is a problem b/c the bowl will pick a team b/c of how they travel rather than their true strength. Also, the BCS can throw things for a loop as a 2nd at large bumps every team up a notch. Nevertheless, here are the tie ins:
Big 10
#1 Bowl Championship Series. Automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl versus Pac-12 #1.
#2 The Capital One Bowl versus SEC #2.
#3 The Outback Bowl versus SEC #4.
#4 The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl versus Big 12 #4.
#5 The Gator Bowl versus SEC #6.
#6 The Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas versus Big 12 #6.
#7 The Heart of Dallas Bowl versus Conference-USA #4.
#8 The Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl versus MAC #1.
SEC
#1 Bowl Championship Series. Automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
#2 The Capital One Bowl versus Big Ten #2.
#3 The Cotton Bowl Classic versus Big 12 #2.
#4 The Outback Bowl versus Big Ten #3.
#5 The Chick-fil-A Bowl versus ACC #2.
#6 The Gator Bowl versus Big Ten #4
#7 The Music City Bowl versus ACC #6.
#8 The Liberty Bowl versus Conference USA #1.
#9 The BBVA Compass Bowl versus AAC #4.
#10 The AdvoCare V100 Bowl versus ACC #7.
So the Big 10 plays up against the ACC and the MAC in very lower tiered bowls. Against the SEC, they play down in 2 games (and a couple of steps down in the Gator). The BCS factor over the last few years would cause the SEC to have to play up even more.
The SEC's upper middle depth over the last few years is also a skewing factor. In 2010, the SEC 3 was 'Bama, who could have made an argument for the most talented team in the country.
Big 10
#1 Bowl Championship Series. Automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl versus Pac-12 #1.
#2 The Capital One Bowl versus SEC #2.
#3 The Outback Bowl versus SEC #4.
#4 The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl versus Big 12 #4.
#5 The Gator Bowl versus SEC #6.
#6 The Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas versus Big 12 #6.
#7 The Heart of Dallas Bowl versus Conference-USA #4.
#8 The Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl versus MAC #1.
SEC
#1 Bowl Championship Series. Automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
#2 The Capital One Bowl versus Big Ten #2.
#3 The Cotton Bowl Classic versus Big 12 #2.
#4 The Outback Bowl versus Big Ten #3.
#5 The Chick-fil-A Bowl versus ACC #2.
#6 The Gator Bowl versus Big Ten #4
#7 The Music City Bowl versus ACC #6.
#8 The Liberty Bowl versus Conference USA #1.
#9 The BBVA Compass Bowl versus AAC #4.
#10 The AdvoCare V100 Bowl versus ACC #7.
So the Big 10 plays up against the ACC and the MAC in very lower tiered bowls. Against the SEC, they play down in 2 games (and a couple of steps down in the Gator). The BCS factor over the last few years would cause the SEC to have to play up even more.
The SEC's upper middle depth over the last few years is also a skewing factor. In 2010, the SEC 3 was 'Bama, who could have made an argument for the most talented team in the country.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 9:52 am to dukkbill
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dukkbill
All true. The only thing I would say about this is that some years the SEC and/or B1G obviously have 2 teams in the BCS (most years both conferences have 2 teams in), so that would change the rankings, and sometimes the Cap 1 is the 2 for one conference and the 3 for another and that trickles down. Usually it is pretty equal though
Edit: And doesn't the Cotton usually take a west team and the Outback usually an east team? So the Outback and be SEC 3 vs B1G 3 and the Cotton could be SEC4 vs. Big 12 2? Or is it always the 3 goes to the Cotton?
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:01 am to dukkbill
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quote: The only thing with an Ohio State home and home is that I'd prefer for the SEC team to visit Columbus in November. Want to see how they handle the cold.
If weather was a factor, pro teams in the North would be favoring northern athletes and those in the South would be selecting southern athletes. It's a spurious argument.
As mentioned in another post, bowl games are concentrated in warmer climates for the fans. Nobody wants to pay several hundred dollars for a ticket and then have to remove 12" of snow before they can sit down.
Athletes who get an NFL contract don't give a shite about the weather. The only snow they might care about goes up their nose.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 10:11 am to VABuckeye
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Bull shite. You can look it up. The Big Ten teams play up as much as the SEC teams in their bowl matchups. But let's not let something like facts cloud the discussion.
Actually he is some what right.
The best non BCS SEC team plays in the Capital one vs the best Big Ten non BCS team(so at best it's even in conference ranking)
Then the second and third SEC teams face the top ACC and top Big 12 team in the Peach and Cotton(It is the peach, f**k any other name)
Then generally the 5th SEC team faces the third best Big Ten team in the Outback. We actually get the toughest match ups in the bowls considering we basically face the best of the best of the big ten, acc, and big 12.
Don't look at "rankings" in terms of polls. That really means nothing. It's the SEC is sending out it's lessors to face the best of other conferences during the bowls. Capital One is usually the best judgement, because it's the best Big vs the best SEC.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 10:14 am
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