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Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:50 pm to Bellabama
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:50 pm to Bellabama
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How do you know about the mindset of a school's values or agenda when you haven't been a fan of the school?
The same way you know the sun rises over China, though, you've never been to China.*
*Note: You may have actually been to China, but it is more of a metaphor.
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Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:51 pm to WDE24
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Ok, why? Are we going to give SEC Championships every 12 years? Is 12 years of theoretical equity better than annual balance and fairness?
Deal with the reality of the 6-2 and not just the math.
Just so we're clear:
You believe a 6-1-1 is inherently more fair than a 6-2 rotation. I don't.
Not sure what else to say. I strongly disagree with you. Because that constant is inherently unfair for some teams because historically (all the info we have to go on) some teams are at the top of the conference (UF) and some teams are the bottom feeders of the conference (Vandy). But the rub is that we're all in the same conference and OM, although they are in the same conference division as LSU and receive the same financial contribution, receives an easier road to the title game than LSU. They may not be good enough to realize or capitalize on that advantage, but it is inherently there, every year, for them. I believe that is unfair.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:51 pm to therick711
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Yet the best rivalry in this country Army vs. Navy is played outside of the confines of a conference.
It's not really a rivalry that has the ability to impact the national champion though. And the Georgia-Georgia Tech has definitely lost its bite since they moved to the ACC.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:52 pm to Bellabama
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How do you know about the mindset of a school's values or agenda when you haven't been a fan of the school?
Because it's about money. Even Texas is afraid to go independent and they have more money than anyone.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:53 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:I think they both suck to be honest, but the 6-1-1 will lead to a better SEC, more competitive balance annually and the best teams going to the Championship game form each division.
You believe a 6-1-1 is inherently more fair than a 6-2 rotation. I don't.
I think the 6-2 is going to lead to some massive inequities in scheduling each year despite the fact that it theoretically would balance out over time (although not really because teams like USC, MSU and Mizzou will be up and down).
And, because college football revolves around what happens on an annual basis, the 6-1-1 is an option that isn't quite as bad as the 6-2.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:54 pm to Tiger Authority
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Just so we're clear:
You believe a 6-1-1 is inherently more fair than a 6-2 rotation. I don't.
Not sure what else to say. I strongly disagree with you. Because that constant is inherently unfair for some teams because historically (all the info we have to go on) some teams are at the top of the conference (UF) and some teams are the bottom feeders of the conference (Vandy). But the rub is that we're all in the same conference and OM, although they are in the same conference division as LSU and receive the same financial contribution, receives an easier road to the title game than LSU. They may not be good enough to realize or capitalize on that advantage, but it is inherently there, every year, for them. I believe that is unfair.
WDE, I have been with a lot of what you have been saying this thread on an intellectual level, but the argument you make about a 6-2 not being more fair is completely lost on me. Everyone plays everyone. If the concern is what happens if you draw two good teams, the method of how the two would be selected could be negotiated. Wouldn't it be funny if you got the 6 games in your division and then drafted two from the other division in two rounds in a snake fashion, reverse order of records. That is a pipe dream, but it would be sort of fun to see who had stones.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:56 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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my point is some LSU fans trying to act like this rivalry isn't important because their buddies said so and they don't wanna be stuck with florida is silly. it's very stupid to say our rivalry with AU is no where near UF. unless of course you think football began in 1990.
Again. I grew up wearing Burnt Orange and Navy Blue. UGA isn't a rival.
Bama is.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:56 pm to therick711
quote:Not on an annual basis. Thus making sure the traditional powers all play against another traditional power is a way to maintain balance.
but the argument you make about a 6-2 not being more fair is completely lost on me. Everyone plays everyone.
quote:Too many variables to prevent there from being significant inequities. Even more so than the 6-1-1. Again, on an annual basis.
the method of how the two would be selected could be negotiated.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:57 pm to WDE24
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And, because college football revolves around what happens on an annual basis, the 6-1-1 is an option that isn't quite as bad as the 6-2.
I'm still not understand this stance. You're making the false assumption that the rotation would inevitably be UF and UGA every year. But it wouldn't be. So you are basing your example of inequity on a rotating schedule that you are surmising would occur all the time. I can deal with the luck of the draw when we draw the two top teams from the other division because it rotates because there is no inherent unfairness there. What I can't understand is that we get to play UF every year in order to make the title game and every other team doesn't. Calling me scared or whatever is fine, but that's not really what this is about.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:58 pm to Golfer
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Again. I grew up wearing Burnt Orange and Navy Blue. UGA isn't a rival.
Bama is.
oh, i can do that to.
i go to georgia. my sisters go to auburn. they are rivals.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:58 pm to Bellabama
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And the Georgia-Georgia Tech has definitely lost its bite since they moved to the ACC.
You just said we can't speak for other teams and you just did? You're not a Georgia fan or a GT fan.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:59 pm to WDE24
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Not on an annual basis. Thus making sure the traditional powers all play against another traditional power is a way to maintain balance.
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the method of how the two would be selected could be negotiated.
Too many variables to prevent there from being significant inequities. Even more so than the 6-1-1. Again, on an annual basis.
The only difference in the plan that you think is inequitable and the one you think is equitable, is one opponent happens to be Auburn's "rival" every year. You getting UGA every year isn't inherently more fair thatn you getting UF and KY one year KY and UGA UGA and USC USC and UT UT and Mizzou Mizzou and UF.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 5:59 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:It would occur every year, it would just happen to a couple of different teams each year.
So you are basing your example of inequity on a rotating schedule that you are surmising would occur all the time.
Essentially, with the 6-1-1 there are fewer variables thus more balance since the cross division rivals are balanced on power for the most part. The 6-2 creates more variables and scheduling inequities annually. However, different teams will be affected each year so it will balance over time.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:00 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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oh, i can do that to.
i go to georgia. my sisters go to auburn. they are rivals.
Again, nobody is contesting that they're not rivals. I was just telling you, in my personal experience with people in my family, UF is easily their most hated/biggest rival. And my understanding, in his mind (not yours), GT edges out AU.
And I'm simply noting that we have a scheduling inequity because a game that isn't even on the level of a top tier rivalry.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:01 pm to therick711
quote:It may not be inherently more fair, but it is inherently more balanced across the league as a whole. With the 6-2, one or two traditional power teams are going to win the luck of the scheduling draw while one or two get screwed. This will happen every year, but it will just happen to different teams.
You getting UGA every year isn't inherently more fair thatn you getting UF and KY one year KY and UGA UGA and USC USC and UT UT and Mizzou Mizzou and UF.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:01 pm to WDE24
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It would occur every year, it would just happen to a couple of different teams each year.
Essentially, with the 6-1-1 there are fewer variables thus more balance since the cross division rivals are balanced on power for the most part. The 6-2 creates more variables and scheduling inequities annually. However, different teams will be affected each year so it will balance over time.
We're just not going to be on the same page.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:02 pm to Golfer
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Again. I grew up wearing Burnt Orange and Navy Blue. UGA isn't a rival.
Bama is.
Just because Barners and Gumps talk about the Iron Bowl 24/7/365 doesn't mean Auburn doesn't consider Georgia a rival and vice versa.
You coulda fooled me that UGA and AU aren't rivals during the 2010 game.
Punches thrown in final seconds of Auburn Georgia game
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:03 pm to Tiger Authority
wans't responding to you. and that's your buddy. people in columbus hate AU more, people in ATL hate GT more, people in south GA hate UF more, people in North GA actually hate UT the most and there are even some in Augusta who would tell you that Clemson is our biggest rival and it's a damn shame we don't play them
that's what happens when you have that many rivalries. AU is one of the best rivalries not just in the SEC but the country. how many can say that since 1892 teams have been so balanced that the overall record is separated by a game and the total points between both teams are only off by 20 or so?
for most of our schools history AU and GT were our biggest rivals, not florida. but you continue to forget football happened pre 1990
that's what happens when you have that many rivalries. AU is one of the best rivalries not just in the SEC but the country. how many can say that since 1892 teams have been so balanced that the overall record is separated by a game and the total points between both teams are only off by 20 or so?
for most of our schools history AU and GT were our biggest rivals, not florida. but you continue to forget football happened pre 1990
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:03 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:If the 6-2 passes, just wait until LSU draws the short stick on the schedule in a year its team is better than Auburn who gets the easy schedule. Then you will be able to see my point.
We're just not going to be on the same page.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 6:04 pm to Golfer
I grew up in the Loveliest Village on the Plains wearing Burnt Orange and Navy Blue.
UGA is a rival.
UGA is a rival.
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