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re: Basketball - More important - League Championship or Tournament Championship?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:54 am to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:54 am to Tennessee Jed
Tournament Titles, because with them you earn an automatic bid into the NCAA tournament.
Several teams from low major conferences win their league championship and fail to win their tournament and as a result sit at home during March each year...
Several teams from low major conferences win their league championship and fail to win their tournament and as a result sit at home during March each year...
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:56 am to DaleDenton
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Tournament Titles, because with them you earn an automatic bid into the NCAA tournament.
A decent point if we presuppose that an SEC team won the league and didn't make the tournament. Has that ever happened? Has it happened since the tournament expanded to at least 64? I don't believe it has, but I'm not sure.
If the regular season champ has never been snubbed, then I'd say the point is irrelevant.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:58 am to Arkansasrazorback
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He was saying we would have never been able to compete with UK had we been in the SEC, which is false. Derp.
Well, you've only won two regular season conference championships in your 20 years in the SEC so I think that's a safe assumption don't you think?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:00 pm to therick711
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A decent point if we presuppose that an SEC team won the league and didn't make the tournament. Has that ever happened? Has it happened since the tournament expanded to at least 64? I don't believe it has, but I'm not sure.
If the regular season champ has never been snubbed, then I'd say the point is irrelevant.
No, but I didn't see where this was SEC only.
On the flip side, show me where a team won the SEC Tournament and was snubbed from the NCAA Tournament.
I can recall a Georgia team from a few years ago that had no shot at post season play, they won the SEC Tournament, made the NCAA tournament. A few other examples in the SEC over the years.
If you drop down to the mid-low major conferences there are several examples of League Champions failing to win their Tournaments there by failing to making the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
Not at all. The competition has nothing to do with us making two bad coaching hires.
It's not like Arkansas made its first final four in 1990
It's not like Arkansas made its first final four in 1990
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:01 pm to therick711
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If the regular season champ has never been snubbed, then I'd say the point is irrelevant.
The only time it's probably happened is when a team has been on probation. At least that I can think of.
Also the SEC had no basketball tournament from 1951-1979 I believe and the regular season champ (with a round-robin schedule) was awarded the SEC's auto bid.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
Well we've kinda sucked for about ten years. When we came into the league and at various times in our history we could compete with anyone and proved it.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:04 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Well we've kinda sucked for about ten years.
Proved it for a handful of years?
We're talking about competing with Kentucky, not just "anyone".
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:04 pm to DaleDenton
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No, but I didn't see where this was SEC only.
A decent point until we realize we are on the aptly-named SEC Rant. Let's talk about the SEC, since, you know, that's what this board is for.
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On the flip side, show me where a team won the SEC Tournament and was snubbed from the NCAA Tournament.
It has not happened. That would be relevant if the league champion of the SEC was snubbed. Again, maybe it has happened, but I don't think it has.
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I can recall a Georgia team from a few years ago that had no shot at post season play, they won the SEC Tournament, made the NCAA tournament. A few other examples in the SEC over the years.
Very true. Did they get in over the SEC Champ? Love the Dream Dawgs though.
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If you drop down to the mid-low major conferences there are several examples of League Champions failing to win their Tournaments there by failing to making the NCAA tournament.
Again, I am talking about the SEC. Good point about those other leagues.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:09 pm to Hawgeye
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Not at all. The competition has nothing to do with us making two bad coaching hires.
It's not like Arkansas made its first final four in 1990
So you're saying that because Arkansas administration fricked up and hired two bad coaches that it's the only reason you haven't competed with Kentucky in terms of conference titles?
Wow. The delusions of grandeur are worse than I thought.
ETA: You do realize Kentucky made their own bad hire in that span right?
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:13 pm to therick711
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Again, I am talking about the SEC. Good point about those other leagues.
In terms of the SEC, then, the SEC Tournament is important for NCAA Tournament seeding, it is great or horrible for a teams momentum in the selection process.
Arkansas losing to Georgia was a difference in 5 seeds and playing in the West vs the South bracket IIRC, that year.
So outside of the League Champion, the Tournament is important for 13 teams.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:14 pm to JDM1992
I mean don't get me wrong, I think they were good under Richardson. And they have a shot at being good again under Anderson. But the notion that they would've been able to compete with Kentucky if they had entered the conference earlier (which is why they claim SWAC titles in their conference total) is downright silly when they haven't done it in at least half of their tenure in the SEC to this point.
And to blame it on a couple bad coaching hires is even dumber. That would be like me saying we would've been the Alabama of the SEC in football had Rupp not gotten that Cadillac and Bear wouldn't have left.
And to blame it on a couple bad coaching hires is even dumber. That would be like me saying we would've been the Alabama of the SEC in football had Rupp not gotten that Cadillac and Bear wouldn't have left.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:14 pm to JDM1992
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TBH, I had no clue Arkansas was ever considered "good" until I came here. Everyone knows Kentucky
Kentucky is far and away the best team in the conference.
Historically, Arkansas and Florida are 2a and 2b.
This is being generous to UF. They have one more NC than Arkansas, yet trail in every other program measuring statistic.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
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(which is why they claim SWAC titles in their conference total)
We do not claim SWAC titles, because we never played in the SWAC, we played a bunch of SWAC teams while a Kentucky golden boy was the head coach, but he also beat a Kentucky Final Four team his last year here too, not good enough for our standards so he was fired.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
Arkansas was good and competing with the best long before Nolan. And why wouldn't we blame those coaches? They are responsible for the worst period in our history.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:22 pm to DaleDenton
Oh I'm sorry, you just claim SWC titles instead. 
You faux flagshippers don't want to throw around stats with tBasketball Flagship of the SEC.
You faux flagshippers don't want to throw around stats with tBasketball Flagship of the SEC.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:23 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Is there any question who is the most insecure fan base in the SEC? Hogs do this in EVERY thread.
Its almost comical if it were not so sad.
Its almost comical if it were not so sad.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:23 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Arkansas was good and competing with the best long before Nolan. And why wouldn't we blame those coaches? They are responsible for the worst period in our history.
Just whoosh right over your head isn't it?
Almost only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes. Just because you almost had some good coaches doesn't mean you did. You can blame Mother Nature for all I care, the point is that you don't compete with Kentucky for conference titles because you haven't for at least half of your time in conference.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 12:25 pm to Tennessee Jed
Depends on how your overall season went. If you have less than 5 losses going into the SEC Tournament, as long as you don't make a first round exit, you're likely to be a #1 seed regardless.
However, if you're a team on the bubble or completely out, you need to win the tournament to get your bid (as with Georgia in 2008).
However, if you're a team on the bubble or completely out, you need to win the tournament to get your bid (as with Georgia in 2008).
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