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re: Bama vs. Top 50 Opponents
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:46 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:46 am to BHMKyle
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I'm sorry, but losing a QB who was 6th in the ACC in Passing Yards... 7th in QB Rating... 8th in Touchdown Passes... and 9th in Completion Percentage does not derail a team from Preseason #3 to a losing record and no bowl game.
Francois has never been good enough for Florida State to get the benefit of the doubt that had he stayed healthy, things would have been much different this year.
Well, he’s behind 2 first round picks and a heisman trophy winner on those lists
Kid was a freshman last year, and the leader of their team. He was replaced with a 170 pound true freshman that was a 3 Star recruit last year. Francois wasn’t a world beater, but he was tough as shite and clearly not a “bad” player. The guy they have in there now is a bad player.
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:48 am to BHMKyle
Francois going down was a horrible thing for both FSU and our SOS
That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt. I'd even go so far as to say they could beat Notre Dame.
What's also forgotten is we lost our 2 best pass rushers in that game.
It was an epic matchup that resulted in horrible injuries for both teams, and neither team ended up benefiting from that game at all
That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt. I'd even go so far as to say they could beat Notre Dame.
What's also forgotten is we lost our 2 best pass rushers in that game.
It was an epic matchup that resulted in horrible injuries for both teams, and neither team ended up benefiting from that game at all
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:55 am to BHMKyle
Small sample size, data is irrelevant. It will all come out in the wash in the next few weeks.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:01 pm to uofarolltide
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That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:03 pm to BHMKyle
Florida state lost 35-3 to Boston college. Hahahahaha.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:09 pm to MeatPants
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Florida State is 2-5. If not for late go-ahead touchdowns against Wake Forest (with 0:53 left in the game) and against Duke (with 8:23 left in the game), they could very well be 0-7.
They also lost 3 games by less than 1 score. So, they are 2-3 in games decided by 7 or less pts. Not crazy to think they'd be 3-2 or 4-1 in those games with an above average veteran QB instead of a 3-star true freshman.
Still don't think they are a great team, but it's pretty reasonable to think they'd be 4-3 or 5-2 right now with Francois. Doesn't mean they'd be a great team (they wouldn't), but they'd be a borderline Top 25 team.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:18 pm to BHMKyle
Let's revisit this at the end of the regular season. The sample size is way too small if we're agreeing that FSU and TAMU were our toughest opponents.
Also, stats are telling but you have to consider the intangibles. In the opening game we had no offensive identity and broke in a new OC. Against TAMU we became complacent...this was the rat poison game. You have to remember that momentum and energy levels fluctuates during the season. Kirby has a big challenge on his hands, he'll have to properly manage his locker room now that they're the #1 team in the country. It's not easy being the top dawg. This is why so many Bama fans wanted to be 2nd or 3rd in the playoff poll. Saban has spent a lot of time keeping this team mentally in check.
Also, stats are telling but you have to consider the intangibles. In the opening game we had no offensive identity and broke in a new OC. Against TAMU we became complacent...this was the rat poison game. You have to remember that momentum and energy levels fluctuates during the season. Kirby has a big challenge on his hands, he'll have to properly manage his locker room now that they're the #1 team in the country. It's not easy being the top dawg. This is why so many Bama fans wanted to be 2nd or 3rd in the playoff poll. Saban has spent a lot of time keeping this team mentally in check.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:22 pm to uofarolltide
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That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt.
LOL! Yes, the QB is the only missing piece of the puzzle from FSU being 2-5 to challenging for the National Title. Let's see... where to start:
Florida State's Statistical National Rankings:
Offensive Stats:
Rushing Offense: #97
Rushing Yards/Play: #94
Sacks Allowed: #98
Tackles for Loss Allowed: #106
Defensive Stats:
Total Defense: #31
Total Defense/Play: #36
Scoring Defense: #48
Sacks: #106
Tackles for Loss: #88
Interceptions: #115
Opponent 3rd Down Conversions: #48
Opponent 4th Down Conversions: #95
Opponent Red Zone Scoring %: #128
Misc. Stats:
Punting Avg. Yards: #78
Punt Returns: #116
FG Made Percentage: #39
Penalties: #82
Turnover Margin: #127
Yep. It's official. If they only had the ACC's 7th best QB from last year, they'd be right in the hunt for the national title. No other issues on this team whatsoever.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:30 pm to BHMKyle
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If they only had the ACC's 7th best QB from last year
You keep saying that like it means something. He was behind the #2 and #12 overall picks (Trubisky and Watson), the Heisman Trophy winner (Jackson), the guy who finished #8 nationally in QB Rating (Peterman), the all-time leading passer in Miami history (Kaaya) and Evans at VT.
Being #7 in passer rating in that league last year as a RS-Freshman is not an embarrassment at all. He'd clearly be in the Top 4 this year. He's not Cam Newton but come on, don't be disingenuous. The ACC QB roster in 2016 was loaded.
They would not be in any national or conference title hunt. They would, however, probably be a 8/9 win team and not looking 5-6 square in the face. Which is a pretty big difference. Because of those other issues you rightly note (OL and Special Teams) and the close nature of almost all their games, replacing a solid QB with a not even close to ready freshman is an even bigger deal.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:32 pm to BHMKyle
Im concerned they win by 20 and don't cover.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:35 pm to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
Your stats and proposed methodology are fine. It's just that the data set is way too small to draw meaningful conclusions. About all you can say is that Alabama SOS has kind of sucked so far so we don't know how good Alabama is. I don't think you can make the conclusion that Alabama is better worse or same as last year based on the FSU and A&M games.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:35 pm to uofarolltide
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That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:37 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I mean calling a 2-5 team a no doubt top 10 team from the loss of a single player is classic rant material
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:39 pm to lsupride87
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I mean calling a 2-5 team a no doubt top 10 team from the loss of a single player is classic rant material
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:46 pm to BHMKyle
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That FSU team we played was actually good, and they'd be top 10 right now without a doubt.
This is why you can't take gumps seriously. They say some of the stupidest shite with a straight face. It wouldn't kill them to admit that FSU was never very good, but they just can't being themselves to say it.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:47 pm to LSU Patrick
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This is why you can't take gumps seriously. They say some of the stupidest shite with a straight face.
I mean, have you read some of the LSU fans on the board this week? Don't think gumps have a monopoly on this.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:50 pm to BHMKyle
Statistics are only valid if they favor Alabama.
Don't you know ANYTHING?
Don't you know ANYTHING?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:50 pm to LSU Patrick
I don't think anyone expected them to be 2-5 at this point. They had some oline issues and questions at WR going into the Bama game...but I thought they would be a 2 or 3 loss team. That squad just gave up when Francois went down.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:51 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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Statistics are only valid if they favor Alabama.
Statistics seem to be favoring Alabama pretty heavily at this moment BDE.
I'll keep you posted though.
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