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re: Bama vs Creighton discussion

Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:06 pm to
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None of our guards shoot over 30% from the 3 pt line and you want them to shoot quicker?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.


Maybe, maybe not.

I'd rather take open shots with 25 seconds left on the clock and miss them than pass the ball around for 30 seconds and throw up a contested shot at the buzzer.
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:06 pm to
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I don't understand it. I mean they leave us alone on the perimeter early in the shot clock. We may as well throw it up and hope it goes in



None of our guards shoot over 30% from the 3 pt line and you want them to shoot quicker?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.



I think you were replying to Bryant's post. I don't like the way Bama attacks the zone. You have to get the ball inside and to the middle of the zone. from there you can play high-low or drive or kick it back out. Teams shoot better from three if the ball comes inside out and the shooter can step into his shot. Bama just tosses around the perimeter but doesn't attack the middle.

Petino is a master at atacking the zone. His Louisville teams are one of the few with a winning record against Syracuse. I wish he would sent CAG a game tape.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:08 pm to
Creighton wins all day long.
Posted by bona fide
Burma
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:09 pm to
Some fan perspective from Creighton's forum

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PRESS: haven't faced it a lot, but if you guys are as athletic as I'm reading, I could see the press impacting things. You might get some steals, but you might also play into our strengths once the press is broken by allowing our guards to attack the hoop and kick to our wings who, on most nights, are excellent shooters. So, while the press might be disruptive, I could actually see it playing into Creighton's favor.

ZONE: with our shooters, we're not too shabby. If run effectively, it could be a problem for Doug McDermott getting his points -- but he's as smart of a player as there is, and he always seems to find a way.

ATHLETIC TEAMS: Long Beach State was probably the most athletic team we faced. We won the game, but if you watched it, I don't think you came away thinking Creighton could handle such teams well. LBSU was up for much of the contest and looked like the better team for most of the game. So, that should definitely be an advantage for the Tide.

DEFENSE: never press. Almost exclusively man-to-man.

BENCH: excellent. Every player in our rotation can put points on the board, and shoot the ball. This game, like most Creighton games, will come down to whether the 3's are falling. If the Jays hit a decent percentage, you will probably lose. If not, you should like your chances.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:10 pm to
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Bama just tosses around the perimeter but doesn't attack the middle.

The problem with that is that we don't have anyone that makes that 15 footer after they flash to the line when they enter the ball into the zone.

Mitchell did (some) before he got the boot.
This post was edited on 3/12/12 at 4:10 pm
Posted by bona fide
Burma
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:12 pm to
One more

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I suspect CU will try to play man against you, primarily due to having Echinique in the paint. He's been able to play anyone and everyone solo this year defensively and has completely taken some good centers out of the game during the season.

McDermott may have a zone in his back pocket as he likes to play to what the other team does best and may challenge Bama to hit their 3's.

McDermott will get his touches, it's really going to be a matter of how patient our guards are in passing into the post and on what Bama wants to do to stop him. Most teams have tried at minimum a double team, then escalating to a guy sagging off in the lane behind the double, and running a rotation of guys at him. For the most part it hasn't worked due to him being unselfish and smart with the ball. That leads to the key for CU being able to knock down open jumpers. When you have McDermott getting touches, you have open shooters somewhere. The key is to find them and hit the shots.

Young is the go-to guy when the offense is a bit out of sync. He gets into the lane in a hurry and can finish and/or draw contact and get to the line. With Relaford on the court, I suspect we'll see a lot of the backup PG, Chatman who is a superior defensive player, allowing Young to be more of a combo guard who can look to shoot. Chatman's only a Frosh, but is very quick, strong and confident with the ball.

The more I think about this game, the more I think the defensive keys for CU are Echinique and Chatman. Chatman to harrass Relaford and to keep him from driving cleanly to the lane, Echinique to shut down the post and provide the defensive presence when people do get into the lane. Would think that both Artino and Dingman will play a lot to match up to the long, athletic types you have and for Artino to add a bit more shot blocking on the defensive end.
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Bama just tosses around the perimeter but doesn't attack the middle.



The problem with that is that we don't have anyone that makes that 15 footer after they flash to the line when they enter the ball into the zone.

Mitchell did (some) before he got the boot.



Cooper, Randolph or Steel could all assume that role. Even JaMychal although I am not sure I trust his decision making at the high post. I don't want to see him put it on the floor. The others could make it work, even Releford.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:17 pm to
Yea I agree with you. It just hasn't happened as of yet.
Posted by ALcapone
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:18 pm to
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DEFENSE: never press. Almost exclusively man-to-man.


i hope so. watching bama against the zone makes me want to claw my eyeballs out
Posted by jddawg58
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:22 pm to
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DEFENSE: never press. Almost exclusively man-to-man.




i hope so. watching bama against the zone makes me want to claw my eyeballs out


I would be shocked if Bama doesn't see a zone. Only team that didn't was TN and it has worked every time. Anyone who doesn't play zone against Alabama should lose their coaching job for 30 days.
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:24 pm to
I've got Bama getting through the 2nd round before losing to UNC by 8-10 pts. Lacey finally looks like he is getting healthy and I think he will step up and have a very big tourney.
Posted by ALcapone
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:40 pm to
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Anyone who doesn't play zone against Alabama should lose their coaching job for 30 days.



i agree, but if they dont practice it much, a zone defense might not be successful. bama has definitely been practicing to beat the zone for a long time now. at some point, you've got to dance with the girl you brought to the dance.
Posted by bigpapamac
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:48 pm to
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DEFENSE: never press. Almost exclusively man-to-man.


frick. Yes. Please let them play man most of the game.
Posted by Brodeur
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:49 pm to
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Wrong. 1) They dont have the athletes we have. they arent going to get bigger, stronger, faster overnight. 2) they arent a defensive team from what i can tell. teams dont just start playing great D overnight. it takes a long time develop the teamwork and mentality to be a good defensive team. but, our shots could start falling at anytime. (provided we actually take shots and dont just pass it around the arc and make turnovers)


Huh? They are D-1 athletes. They can increase their intensity and play better defense than their 239 defensive ranking, I promise! Defense in basketball is pretty simple. Intensity and effort are the keys. Bama cannot improve their shooting by increasing effort. I wish they could, though.

They don't even really need to be good or great defensively to stop us. Usually we do a good enough job of stopping ourselves, as we all know.
Posted by Brodeur
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 4:56 pm to
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None of our guards shoot over 30% from the 3 pt line and you want them to shoot quicker?


Its called rhythm and momentum. We know that guys like Lacy, Cooper, and Randolph can shoot, but they lose momentum when we stop and set up the offense on every possession and force a bad shot as the shot clock is expiring.

I do understand not giving guys who don't seem to shoot well the green light early in a possession, but we have to do a better job at recognizing when we have momentum or when we can take an early shot and get on a run and actually keep a run going
Posted by AUtigR24
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 5:00 pm to
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Bama just tosses around the perimeter but doesn't attack the middle.


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The problem with that is that we don't have anyone that makes that 15 footer after they flash to the line when they enter the ball into the zone.


Yeah if you attack you have to be able to pull up or make the dish to cutters. It can be great or it can be turnover city. Watch Jeremy Lin play. He attacks really well, but also causes a lot of turnovers by penetrating too deep and not having anywhere to go with the ball.
Posted by ALcapone
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 5:00 pm to
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Huh? They are D-1 athletes.


so all D-1 athletes are the same? shirley, you cant be serious.

quote:

Defense in basketball is pretty simple. Intensity and effort are the keys.


yeah i wish it was that simple
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 5:04 pm to
Creighton is too good for Bama. I guess its also that MVC loyalty. McDermott can score and the Center can score. I dont see how Bama can match them. I also think that MVC gets 2 into sweet 16.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/12/12 at 5:07 pm to
Here's a cool video from when we got selected. I'm sure it has already been posted LINK
Posted by Brodeur
Member since Feb 2012
4623 posts
Posted on 3/12/12 at 5:17 pm to
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so all D-1 athletes are the same? shirley, you cant be serious.


I didn't say they are all the same. They are athletic enough to play with other D-1 athletes though. We aren't anywhere near the most athletic team I've seen. A lot of our defense is intensity and effort.

Defensive schemes aren't tough in basketball. I bet everyone on this forum knows how to play a zone and man to man. And help side defense is not a hard concept. Ask Tony Mitchell what the hardest part about defense is.

This post was edited on 3/12/12 at 5:19 pm
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