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re: Auburns Fans...others feel free to chime in as well...

Posted on 12/1/09 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by nativetiger
Member since Jan 2007
2196 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 3:56 pm to
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But to think that the depth problem at AU will be miraculously fixed in 9 months?


yeah, I'm aware of who is staying and who is going. I kind of follow this closely and might know a thing or two about Auburn football and our depth situation.

We will bring in 30 new guys with this class. 25 in Feb. and 5 that will count back to this year.

We aren't looking for USC level talent and depth, we just need to be able to hold onto the 14 point leads we seem to have no problems gaining on number one ranked defenses in the nation.....
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:00 pm to
Auburn fans, stop coulda, woulda, shoulda with the Iron Bowl. It doesn't do anygood and all that matters is that we lost and MI won't get the Heisman . Auburn lost a starting corner and both starting safties, we had no linebacker depth and an offense that doesn't sustain long drives. This is why we lost most of our games this year but they are still losses. We can look forward to next year knowing we don't lose anyone on d.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:02 pm to
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After all was said and done were only a few plays from being 10-2...(



yall coulda easily lost the WV game and be 6-6 right now too.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:03 pm to
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You don't think AU will lack depth again next year? Depth is more than just a warm body, it includes experience and talent.



Yes we will...it will take at minimum 2 classes to get back to decent numbers.

This talk of beating bama next year is very premature (both in time frame, its barely december, and in talent on campus).

We have no clue what tyrik will do, or if it will even be tyrik, could be caudle, could be trotter, who knows. Nor do we know how the team will respond. Next year is about taking another step forward, pulling out one or two of those games we could have won and building on success.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:04 pm to
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I'm not backtracking. I'm saying that we haven't had the benefit of two extra years with our coaching staff and two #1 ranked recruiting classes but our offense is still slightly better than yours, and definitely more of a big play offense. Do you mean to tell me that having all of those 5 star offensive players doesn't matter?

All of this adds up to Auburn just needing more time with the coaches and better recruiting, which is obviously underway as we speak.

I can't believe you can't see the difference in the starting points of the two 2009 offenses and teams we are discussing......I would be shocked but the more I think about it, the more it goes along with everything I've ever known about the followers of the scarlet letter.


The only thing I'm telling you is statistically our team has a pretty good offense. We're 4th in the SEC in points and total yards. So when you say our offense is awful, the stats don't agree. I don't think the Auburn offense is awful for the record.

We're 40th overall in total yards and 25th in points per game. The offense is good enough to win especially with one of the best defenses in college football.

Your "we will" claims sound just like LSU fans last year that were talking about how good Jefferson will be and how they will win the West. Your team looks better than last year but you went 3-5 in the SEC, got blown out by Arkansas and LSU, and lost to Kentucky at home. I understand your excitement but it's easy to see why people aren't all believers.
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4815 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:04 pm to
Considering what Tuberville left you, I believe you should be happy overall.
Posted by arlo
Member since Oct 2007
12376 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:06 pm to
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All of this with a first year staff, not much depth at all and a team that is undermanned...how would you guys rate this season in terms of it being successful?


I think the Barn overachieved this year. One of the things I'd wonder about though is how long the triple reverse halfback passes will keep working.
Posted by nativetiger
Member since Jan 2007
2196 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:10 pm to
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arwicklu


In 2010, we'll be in the same boat you guys were in last year. If the incoming freshmen can add depth and play as well as expected, and if we get some injury luck for a change, we could win ten games.....

It could go the other way too...you just never know, but I choose to be positive about it because that's just as likely as the negative happening at this point.

As for your offense; The reason it is ranked highly is because of the blowout wins against awful, awful teams.....outside of Arky and Miss. State, who did you score a lot on that was SEC caliber?

Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:24 pm to
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As for your offense; The reason it is ranked highly is because of the blowout wins against awful, awful teams.....outside of Arky and Miss. State, who did you score a lot on that was SEC caliber?


You can say that about almost any team. Look at Florida's schedule and they scored 56, 63, and 63 against Troy, FIU, and Charleston Southern. The Ball State and Furman games padded your stats.

We had plenty of decent games. 34 points was the most VT gave up all year. We scored 38 on a Kentucky team that beat you guys. The Arky and Miss State games that you mentioned were both good. The LSU game was ok. The Ole Miss, Auburn, and USC games we didn't play well but did hit 20. The Tennessee game we were awful.

Every offense in the SEC is like that. Florida only put up 13 on LSU. They didn't do very well against Arky, USC, and Tenn. That's SEC football. There are some good defenses out there.

This post was edited on 12/1/09 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17745 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:37 pm to
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After all was said and done were only a few plays from being 10-2...(I say this because I think we should have beaten UK, UGA and Bama)


Every team can say things like this. LSU was a few plays away from being 11-1.

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All of this with a first year staff, not much depth at all and a team that is undermanned...how would you guys rate this season in terms of it being successful?


I thought Malzahn did a terrific job considering Auburn hasn't been an offensive powerhouse lately. But what happened to the defense? Auburn always had awesome defenses, this year it was just bad, and Chizik is a defensive coach.
Posted by RMFTBama
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2009
5285 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:39 pm to
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If you guys can't stop what you refer to as "trick plays" then we'll just line up and do those again next year.


Not if your coaches are smart, you won't. Trick plays = risk. In games when you are a big underdog, you have to take risks. If Auburn is going to be as good as you say they are, then why would they take unnecessary risks?

Auburn fans seriously sound like Tennessee fans after "moral victories" against Bama and Florida. You think just because the game was close you're going to win next year? That's completely logical. I guess in all the excitement over your moral victory, you've forgotten that LSU and Arkansas absolutely humiliated AU.
Posted by RMFTBama
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2009
5285 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:45 pm to
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Good grief, guys. The point we have all been trying to pound through your thick skulls is that we aren't that good this year, but we almost beat the best alabama team in 17 years. Think about that.


Haha. I love this. There is no such thing as "almost beat." You win or you lose. And Auburn LOST. That's like me saying Alabama "almost beat" Auburn's best team in 15 years (in 2004) because we were up at halftime and only lost by 8 points.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 4:50 pm to
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Haha. I love this. There is no such thing as "almost beat." You win or you lose. And Auburn LOST. That's like me saying Alabama "almost beat" Auburn's best team in 15 years (in 2004) because we were up at halftime and only lost by 8 points.


While i do think this auburn fan's prospective is skewed, i will also ask you to remember back to what a lot of your fans said last year after the loss to florida. Hell one of your fellow bama fans even admitted he was part of that crowd
Posted by nativetiger
Member since Jan 2007
2196 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:33 pm to
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There is no such thing as "almost beat."



A loss is a loss, but you're crazy if you don't think blowout losses are worse than barely losing to somebody.

Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19717 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:42 pm to
considering the mess Tubs left us in...I think it went well. It was not a good season but it shows promise. Chizik may be the man. He didnt get caught with some strippers who were using the University credit card, He isnt a drunk, He doesnt seem to lie,,,,,,,Dont know if he can recruit though.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:44 pm to
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yall coulda easily lost the WV game and be 6-6 right now too.


Well, we could have easily beaten Bama, UGA, UK and be 10-2 also.
Posted by RMFTBama
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2009
5285 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:48 pm to
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A loss is a loss, but you're crazy if you don't think blowout losses are worse than barely losing to somebody.


I'm not saying blowout losses are better. I agree that for a team in Auburn's position, a loss by a 5-point margin is promising. But you've stated/insinuated numerous times that Auburn will beat Alabama next year because this year's game was close.

I seem to remember Auburn beating Alabama in 2005 despite the 2004 game being relatively close. Also, while this loss might be considered "promising," what about the losses to Arkansas and LSU? Or worse: what about the losses to UK and UGA? If this loss was promising, the losses to UGA and UK had to be quite disheartening.
Posted by Choctaw Hog
Member since Nov 2006
7586 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 5:48 pm to
I predicted that Auburn would be one of the surprise teams along with Arkansas. Didn't surprise me at all.
Posted by Turfgrass
Member since Oct 2009
48 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 6:26 pm to
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yall coulda easily lost the WV game and be 6-6 right now too.

This.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72926 posts
Posted on 12/1/09 at 6:29 pm to
You lost to Alabama. Eight of Auburn's final possessions resulted in seven three-and-outs, and two turnovers. Auburn couldn't stop a eight minute 79 yard game winning TD drive. Why "should" you have won again?
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