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re: Auburn’s 2019 success weighs heavily on the OL...
Posted on 7/23/19 at 5:24 am to lowspark12
Posted on 7/23/19 at 5:24 am to lowspark12
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FWIW, bill Connelly (who created the S&P+ efficiency rating systems) says there is very little correlation between OL returning starts and team success.
To a degree I can agree. But, experience at any position helps.
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Posted on 7/23/19 at 5:27 am to RandySavage
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Prob Gatewood to start but I could see Nix winning the job as the season goes along.
That would not be a good sign as to how the season is going. If Gatewood is winning, you don't replace a winning QB. If he loses a couple you might switch...but then you are breaking in yet another unproven Freshman QB.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 5:41 am to Herman Frisco
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If he wins 6 he will be back.
No, I assure you he will not be.
I take that back. If 3/6 are vs. LSU, UGA, & Bama he might survive. That isn't happening.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 5:44 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:06 am to DawgsLife
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That would not be a good sign as to how the season is going. If Gatewood is winning, you don't replace a winning QB. If he loses a couple you might switch...but then you are breaking in yet another unproven Freshman QB.
Pretty much. Doubt Gus could survive that.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:14 am to jangalang
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Pretty much. Doubt Gus could survive that.
Well, both QB's are physical specimens. Nix appears to be the superior QB, but the size of Gatewood is intriguing, too.
Lower rated QB's sometimes come out with a chip on their shoulders and show out. If Gatewood does that it could be a huge year for Auburn.
Also, if Gatewood does show out, or Nix, for that matter it could finally put to rest the argument that Gus can't develop a HS QB. It'll be an interesting and quite possibly exciting year for Auburn fans.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:26 am to DawgsLife
7-5 gone. 8 or more and he is safe for another year.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:34 am to DawgsLife
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Fromm showed it can be done, so it could be a special year for the Aubies.
We dont have the running backs the Fromm had his first year. We are actually fairly low on talent there. There is a big difference.
Actaully, Fromm did not play that well his freshman year. The Backs and good oline pretty much bailed him out and gave him time to learn how to play. He was not the kind of QB to put a game on his shoulders and have him win it for you
I think our guy this year will need to be that kind of QB. Backs are decent but not great. We have one or two good wideouts and the rest are inexperienced. Oline was shitty early on last year and did better late. Still not super talented up there and not a lot of depth
One or two injuries on the line and this could be a nightmare season against the hardest schedule out there.
For those talking about Gus getting fired, you can save your pom poms. Probably wont happen this year unless the bottom just absolutely falls out.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:41 am to TTsTowel
Two things:
1. It's never as simple as correlating a seasons success to one facet of the team. Yea O-line experience is important, but as others have alluded to, QB play is equally as important.
2. I am genuinely surprised at how many folks think money would prevent AU admin from kicking Gus to the curb.
1. It's never as simple as correlating a seasons success to one facet of the team. Yea O-line experience is important, but as others have alluded to, QB play is equally as important.
2. I am genuinely surprised at how many folks think money would prevent AU admin from kicking Gus to the curb.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:14 am to Niner
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2. I am genuinely surprised at how many folks think money would prevent AU admin from kicking Gus to the curb.
Then you are not very smart. Auburn is not going to pay a coach 25 million dollars to leave when he is doing better than the program average and is bringing higher highs than Auburn has seen in 50 years.
They may have the money but they are smarter than the fans who think they should do so.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:50 am to LanierSpots
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Then you are not very smart.
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They may have the money but they are smarter than the fans who think they should do so.
That's my point. The money is not what would stop them from firing Gus - contrary to what most think on this board. What may stop them from firing Gus is what you just mentioned.
So, although I'm apparently stupid, I agree with your perspective that he likely won't get fired because of the "higher highs" and above-average success he has brought to the program.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:53 pm to LanierSpots
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We dont have the running backs the Fromm had his first year. We are actually fairly low on talent there. There is a big difference.
There is a difference, but I honestly think Williams will be a beast. If there is a position on the field that a freshman can excell at, it is RB.
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Actaully, Fromm did not play that well his freshman year.
I would disagree. he threw for 2600 yards, a comp. percentage of 62%, and QBR of 160. Did he carry the team? no. but he came up with a ton of timely completions. But, yes. The RB's were the backbone.
quote:The depth is what could hurt you. If you lose a couple of OLinemen early it could be devastating. Just got to keep them healthy. Easier said than done across the Line.
Oline was shitty early on last year and did better late. Still not super talented up there and not a lot of depth
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:54 pm to Niner
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So, although I'm apparently stupid, I agree with your perspective that he likely won't get fired because of the "higher highs" and above-average success he has brought to the program.
It is the money. If we only owed him 2 million buyout, the constant pressure from the fans and alum may get him fired. But at 25 mil, its not going to happen.
Look, I have the money to buy a beach house right now. But I am not going to make a bad decision with my money until I know its the right thing to do. Now I would love a new beach house but the MONEY is not going to get spent until I know its the right call.
So I didnt say you were stupid, I merely stated that if you dont think spending 25 million on a above average coaches buyout is because of the money then you are not using your head
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:30 pm to LanierSpots
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It is the money. If we only owed him 2 million buyout, the constant pressure from the fans and alum may get him fired. But at 25 mil, its not going to happen.
Agree to disagree. I fully understand your beach house logic - I just don't think $25 mil has as much of an impact on AU's decision-making as you do.
Additionally, instead of trying to redefine the meaning of the term stupid, just run with it. We're on a message board for crying out loud.
"not smart" or "not using your head" = stupid to me...
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:49 pm to Niner
We might not fire him, we might make it so miserable he quits
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:54 pm to ChexMix
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8 wins = fired
9 wins = one more year
You wish.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:06 pm to Niner
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Agree to disagree. I fully understand your beach house logic - I just don't think $25 mil has as much of an impact on AU's decision-making as you do.
If I am not mistaken, 25 million would be the largest buyout in College football history. The money is a big deal. Can you imagine trying to explain that you let a coach go who took you to a national championship game, won more games by year than any coach in 30 years, beat 3 #1 teams and has recruited better than any coach in Auburn history and paid him 25 million dollars to leave?
LOL. Sorry but I dont see it happeneing
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:28 pm to TeddyWestside
If he only wins 7 he is gone. If he wins 9+ he's safe.
8 is a tricky number. I've seen national media say that this might be AU's most talented team top to bottom that Gus has had while a HC at AU. However, our schedule is brutal and we're breaking in a new QB.
If he was to only win 8 games, but one of those included LSU, UGA or Bama, then I think he stays. And it would depend on how he loses the other games, like with poor play calling, e.g. whirly birds. He also can't lose games he's not supposed to lose (2018 Tennessee game).
8 is a tricky number. I've seen national media say that this might be AU's most talented team top to bottom that Gus has had while a HC at AU. However, our schedule is brutal and we're breaking in a new QB.
If he was to only win 8 games, but one of those included LSU, UGA or Bama, then I think he stays. And it would depend on how he loses the other games, like with poor play calling, e.g. whirly birds. He also can't lose games he's not supposed to lose (2018 Tennessee game).
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:29 pm to LanierSpots
The money matters...not cause we don't have it, but because a reasonable argument can be made not to spend it that way. Gus is safe IMO unless the team quits on him.
I do agree the OL is huge this year...Fromm is a great example of a kid who had the safety and time to mature into a great player with a strong OL and two great RB's. We don't have the quality of RB's but the OL has the talent and showed some signs toward the end of last season of the light coming on for them.
IMO Gatewood needs to be the guy for this team to be a 10 win potential SEC champion type team.
I do agree the OL is huge this year...Fromm is a great example of a kid who had the safety and time to mature into a great player with a strong OL and two great RB's. We don't have the quality of RB's but the OL has the talent and showed some signs toward the end of last season of the light coming on for them.
IMO Gatewood needs to be the guy for this team to be a 10 win potential SEC champion type team.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:44 pm to atlau
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If he only wins 7 he is gone. If he wins 9+ he's safe.
8 is a tricky number.
I am just not sure how to pick a number with this. Id say he is very safe with 8 wins but Auburn has done some stupid shite in the past.
Its the toughest schedule in football and there really are only 4 automatic wins on that schedule
3 OOC
Arkansas
All the other games are going to be tough or very competitive
UGA
Bama
@LSU
@Texas AM
(n)Oregon
Miss St
Ole Miss
@Florida
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:48 pm to LanierSpots
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But at 25 mil, its not going to happen.
The choice is to have him coach for ~7 Mil/year for the next 5 years, or let him go for ~5Mil/year and have a new coach for hopefully around ~5Mil/year.
If Gus is a bust this year you have to let him go because he is not leading the program to meet expectations. Not meeting expectations will lead to declines in revenue. Hiring a new coach would bring higher expectations and and renewed energy into the program. (Like Pearl for example.)
I am behind Gus though and hope he has a successful year, hopefully at 9 wins. 7 wins or less is just not getting it done though.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 2:50 pm
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