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re: Auburn IS NOT Corrupt
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:07 am to sec13rowBBseat28
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:07 am to sec13rowBBseat28
You sound like an Auburn apologist AlaTiger and kind of touch on a reason that so many rival fans are giving Auburn a hard time on this board. As it was said earlier, the EXACT same thing could be said about Alabama alums/fans in the mid and late 90s. Auburn fans as a whole really ARE good people but many of them (at least the radio and internet crowd) really do think they are inherently more righteous and moral than the typical Alabama fan OR LSU fan for that matter. I don't understand where all the pity for Auburn fans comes from. You act like innocent Auburn fans are routinely stoned on the street corners by out of control Alabama mobs and are spit on by Alabama fans as they walk by. They have fans that are every bit as ruthless as the most hardcore Alabama fan when it comes to dishing out the hatred. I say that as someone who has more close Auburn friends than Alabama friends too. As a whole, Barners are great people, but so are Alabama people. This idea that Auburn fans have some kind of moral high ground on Alabama fans is what is so stupid.
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:11 am to Govt Tide
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You act like innocent Auburn fans are routinely stoned on the street corners by out of control Alabama mobs and are spit on by Alabama fans as they walk by. They have fans that are every bit as ruthless as the most hardcore Alabama fan when it comes to dishing out the hatred. I say that as someone who has more close Auburn friends than Alabama friends too. As a whole, Barners are great people, but so are Alabama people. This idea that Auburn fans have some kind of moral high ground on Alabama fans is what is so stupid.
well said
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:11 am to crimsonsaint
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She might wanna consider transferring. That degree might not be worth the paper it's written on in a few years.
I doubt that seriously. Could you imagine the lawsuits if that happened. No way SACS pulls accredidation on a school like Auburn because of rogue boosters. They'r off probation. What happens is people will go to jail, they'll put them back on probation, and there will probably be an independent counsel/inspector generaly type person/group that will come in and clean things up by force. No way they discredit the degrees of tens of thousands of students at a large state school.
People need to quit talking about that. It sounds ignorant.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:13 am to Govt Tide
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This idea that Auburn fans have some kind of moral high ground on Alabama fans is what is so stupid.
Exactly. Especially after the way most acted during the Dareus thing at the beginning of the season and the stalking of Dre last year, going so far as to sneak the VIN numbers of their vehicles and sending packets of "info" and "wrongdoing" to media outlets. Not to mention the deifying of Pat Dye they've always done.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:15 am to AlaTiger
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I doubt that seriously. Could you imagine the lawsuits if that happened. No way SACS pulls accredidation on a school like Auburn because of rogue boosters. They'r off probation. What happens is people will go to jail, they'll put them back on probation, and there will probably be an independent counsel/inspector generaly type person/group that will come in and clean things up by force. No way they discredit the degrees of tens of thousands of students at a large state school.
People need to quit talking about that. It sounds ignorant.
Agreed. I think posters are on this board are so driven by the football programs alone that they fail to realize these universities can exist without them. Just because a few rogue boosters may have paid athletes does not diminish the rest of the university.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:15 am to Govt Tide
I'm not an Auburn apologist. If they broke the rules, they deserve the penalty.
I'm just telling you what I see. I have no dog in this fight (sorry Mike Vick). Everyone is responsible for their own actions, but there is definitely an inferiority complex among Auburn fans that cause them to try and assert themselves. Alabama fans have a superiority complex that causes them to not give respect to other schools for fear that it will lower them somehow. That is the dynamic that I see here and I've lived in Alabama for years.
And, I agree with you that the same could have been said about Alabama fans in the 1990's, and I probably said it. But, TD.com wasn't around then.
I'm just telling you what I see. I have no dog in this fight (sorry Mike Vick). Everyone is responsible for their own actions, but there is definitely an inferiority complex among Auburn fans that cause them to try and assert themselves. Alabama fans have a superiority complex that causes them to not give respect to other schools for fear that it will lower them somehow. That is the dynamic that I see here and I've lived in Alabama for years.
And, I agree with you that the same could have been said about Alabama fans in the 1990's, and I probably said it. But, TD.com wasn't around then.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:16 am to AlaTiger
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No way SACS pulls accredidation on a school like Auburn because of rogue boosters. They'r off probation.
1. Doubtful SACS pulls it.
2. They're more than rogue boosters, they are Board of Trustee members. And they ARE the reason they went on probation the first time. Being involved in possibly, the same situation as before, it doesn't rule out the possibility of probation by SACS again.
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:20 am to AlaTiger
I felt sorry for the auburn fans at first because the vast majority of them had no idea what was going on. But after information started coming out, cam's cheating, his dad admitting to soliciting money, and voicemails and wiretaps in the fbi's possesion, I have seen little change in their stance. The President of auburns computer system should have crashed from angry emails from students, alumni, parents and taxpayers demanding to know the truth about what is going on at their university. Instead they are singing lean on me with Trooper Taylor leading them. They deserve whatever they get.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:27 am to crimsonsaint
Auburn fans are generally the most biased and delusional of all the SEC teams. They are a glorified Ole Miss with only a little better results. Think about it. What have they done? They had some success with Tubby without corruption but other than that, everything they have accomplished has been negated by the NCAA. They are the step child of the state and it pisses them off. But they can't shed that image and will never be recognized as a great program outside of swimming. I'm sorry if this offends you. I have a lot of Auburn friends. Every year they talk about how Bama is gonna suck and this is their year. It will never be your year until you gut the university and start over.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:33 am to Alahunter
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it doesn't rule out the possibility of probation by SACS again.
Agree. Probation again is likely if this is all true. Heck, they went on probation the first time because of Jetgate.
But, pulling accredidation is too much.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:39 am to AlaTiger
but the guys you mentioned are on auburns board of trustees. they are corrupt and their orchestration of football will cause auburn much heart break. how did those guys get back in power? how in the hell did auburn university have anything to do with pat dye? he has been convicted of paying players? and they named the damn stadium after him? auburn is a damn fine educational institution that has been hi-jacked by the talibarn.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:40 am to AlaTiger
Excellent post.
I've been to many Auburn/LSU games on the Plains. Every time, we've been treated great by the Auburn fans. We've been welcomed to several tailgates and they are a great/knowledgeable fanbase. It's too bad that they all can't get together and kick Lowder and Dye out on their asses.
I've been to many Auburn/LSU games on the Plains. Every time, we've been treated great by the Auburn fans. We've been welcomed to several tailgates and they are a great/knowledgeable fanbase. It's too bad that they all can't get together and kick Lowder and Dye out on their asses.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:53 am to AuburnAlum
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Lowder is a billionaire, its not easy to take down a fat cat who can hire 10 of the best attorneys.
We need someone to push him down the stairs.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 10:58 am to AUTigLN11
No one knows corruption more than people from Louisiana. Our political system is so corrupt that most people shrug when ANOTHER politician gets indicted for something. We even re-elect crooks knowing full well that they are crooks.
It's just part of our whacky charm, so you might as well just embrace it. It seems like that is what your athletic department is doing right now. "We know he's REALLY going to be ineligible, but we're going to play him until you tell us not to. Because it's who we are."
It's like being in a Central American country without the poverty and cardboard houses.
It's just part of our whacky charm, so you might as well just embrace it. It seems like that is what your athletic department is doing right now. "We know he's REALLY going to be ineligible, but we're going to play him until you tell us not to. Because it's who we are."
It's like being in a Central American country without the poverty and cardboard houses.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:00 am to AlaTiger
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:02 am to crimsonsaint
never understod why auburn fans are so fond of dye. his shite put them on probation.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:03 am to Govt Tide
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You sound like an Auburn apologist AlaTiger and kind of touch on a reason that so many rival fans are giving Auburn a hard time on this board. As it was said earlier, the EXACT same thing could be said about Alabama alums/fans in the mid and late 90s. Auburn fans as a whole really ARE good people but many of them (at least the radio and internet crowd) really do think they are inherently more righteous and moral than the typical Alabama fan OR LSU fan for that matter. I don't understand where all the pity for Auburn fans comes from. You act like innocent Auburn fans are routinely stoned on the street corners by out of control Alabama mobs and are spit on by Alabama fans as they walk by. They have fans that are every bit as ruthless as the most hardcore Alabama fan when it comes to dishing out the hatred. I say that as someone who has more close Auburn friends than Alabama friends too. As a whole, Barners are great people, but so are Alabama people. This idea that Auburn fans have some kind of moral high ground on Alabama fans is what is so stupid
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:03 am to AlaTiger
I also have friends that are Auburn Alums and fans of the program. The ones I've spoken to since this thing started are pessimistic that it will all turn out well for their school. I do feel for them, remembering that not all that long ago LSU was rocked by the Lester Earl scandal in basketball. The old standard, "it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch" is forever true.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:04 am to AlaTiger
OP, no one ever thought that it was the students! Not getting where you are coming from because whenever a university is corrupt, it usually is at the top only. Or you just have a wacko booster trying to get one recruit or a dumb coach acting on his own.
This goes to the heart of corruption at in the federal banking/government/gambling industries.
We will see very soon if Auburn itself has integrity. IF and I repeat IF they know any single item of this to be true, they simply should get rid of ALL the players in question and play out the season after forfeiting the previous wins, or just simply discontinue the sports that htey know have been corrupted.
Two things....have you wife trnsfer before she gets a masters from a community college!
and second....HEY CHARLES BARKLEY! Where's you big fricking mouth now? Bet you are glad your boy Turner Gill isn't trapped in this bullshite!
This goes to the heart of corruption at in the federal banking/government/gambling industries.
We will see very soon if Auburn itself has integrity. IF and I repeat IF they know any single item of this to be true, they simply should get rid of ALL the players in question and play out the season after forfeiting the previous wins, or just simply discontinue the sports that htey know have been corrupted.
Two things....have you wife trnsfer before she gets a masters from a community college!
and second....HEY CHARLES BARKLEY! Where's you big fricking mouth now? Bet you are glad your boy Turner Gill isn't trapped in this bullshite!
Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:06 am to AlaTiger
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it doesn't rule out the possibility of probation by SACS again.
Agree. Probation again is likely if this is all true. Heck, they went on probation the first time because of Jetgate.
But, pulling accredidation is too much.
I've been through some of the paperwork and preparations for SACS accreditation on the college/university level. Since Auburn has several well-respected departments and a stable financial situation, I agree that they'll most likely be placed on probation again for a year...
But, it could be on the condition that the athletic program be either terminated or reorganized to such an extent that it is a shadow of its former self.
From the perspective of SACS, one of the most damning things would be if it is proven that boosters, or even the athletic director, ever overruled the university president on major decisions (or even relatively minor ones, like letting Cam Newton play). Even worse would be boosters calling shots that affect the day to day stability of the endowment or damages the ability of professors to conduct their research.
Institutional control and stable decision making is what SACS primarily cares about. And a lack of that could be what causes Auburn's downfall.
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