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Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:51 am to MrAUTigers
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:51 am to MrAUTigers
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He was also in a different conf. than the previous coaches. Did your "research" tell you that?
No need to research it, I remember it. I know some Boise St fans. All the good MWC teams left and went to P5 conferences, and they were replaced by Boise St and a bunch of WAC teams. The WAC conference is now an FCS conference with completely different teams.
So teams from the same conference they were in + the worst teams of the conference they moved into. The team that gives them the most trouble? Fresno St, who was also a member of the WAC and came over 1 year after Boise St.
Basically the same conference, new name. Which was a shame because it was shaping up to be a decent confernce. TCU, WVU, Utah, Boise St, Colorado ST, Air Force and BYU. Not a powerhouse, but some quality teams. But most of them left in the realignment.
I guess your research didn't mention that.
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:35 am to 3down10
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All the good MWC teams left and went to P5 conferences, and they were replaced by Boise St and a bunch of WAC teams. The WAC conference is now an FCS conference with completely different teams.
Do some more research and don't listen to people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about.
check out the mac in 2000. check out who was in the MWC in 2000. Check out who was in the WMC in 2013.
Boise St. fans mislead you.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 5:54 am to skrayper
Alabama was ranked 20th in 1941. Congrats on other titles.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:03 am to JetDawg
Ok - if you say so.
…such a compelling argument.
…such a compelling argument.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 7:31 am to MrAUTigers
You are wasting your time with him
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:31 am to IAmNERD
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Check this bammer math out
If you average it out over your programs history, once a decade is being more than generous. I know thats probably confusing for you though.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:55 am to 3down10
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He was the worst coach they'd had in 20 years.
This is ridiculous.
Petersen coached in the WAC until 2011 and then Boise moved to the Mountain West, which he coached in for 3 years(2011 - 2013). This was an upgrade in competition.
Petersen records in those three years:
2011 - 12-1 2nd in conference
2012 - 11-2 Tied for conference champs
2013 - 8-4 2nd in conference
Harsin's first 3 years in Mountain West:
2014 - 12-2 Conference champs
2015 - 9-4 2nd in conference
2016 - 10-3 - Tied for conference champs
Harsin never won less than 10 games after 2015(other than 2020, which was cut short), and either won or tied for first in conference every year through 2020.
Not sure how anyone can say he was worse than anyone that came before him since he coached his whole tenure in a tougher conference vs everyone else being in either the Big Sky or WAC, until Petersen's last 3 years, which Harsin more or less matched, and arguably did better if you look at conference championships.
Would Petersen have done better? Possibly, but we'll never know and can only look at a 3 year comparison.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:01 am to 3down10
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All the good MWC teams left and went to P5 conferences, and they were replaced by Boise St and a bunch of WAC teams.
BYU and Utah left after 2010, and 2011 was Petersen's first year in the MWC. Then TCU left in 2012, so Petersen only played TCU in 2012 and also lost to them. I'll give him credit for going to Athens and beating uga to start the year though.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:50 am to MrAUTigers
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Do some more research and don't listen to people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about.
check out the mac in 2000. check out who was in the MWC in 2000. Check out who was in the WMC in 2013.
Boise St. fans mislead you.
Here are the teams Auburn fans are claming made for a tougher conference change:
Air Force
San Diego St
Colorado St
UNLV
Wyoming
New Mexico
# of times any of those teams have won the MWC since 2011? 2 times San Diego St won the conference.
The other 8? All won by former WAC teams.
Boise St fans didn't mislead me, Auburn fans refuse to accept the reality.
There is a reason why it's often called the "Mountain WAC" now.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:54 am to CharlieTiger
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BYU and Utah left after 2010, and 2011 was Petersen's first year in the MWC. Then TCU left in 2012, so Petersen only played TCU in 2012 and also lost to them. I'll give him credit for going to Athens and beating uga to start the year though.
As I said, all the good teams left as Boise St joined and the MWC is still basically the WAC.
I noted it above, but here are the teams that stayed in the MWC:
Air Force
San Diego St
Colorado St
UNLV
Wyoming
New Mexico
So claims that Boise St went to a tougher conference just don't have merit.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:23 pm to 3down10
quote:This is one of your points with which I actually agree.
So claims that Boise St went to a tougher conference just don't have merit.
Of course your argument that Harsin "failed" at BSU based on him being unable to replicate the success of the 6th winningest CFB HC in the last 60 years is somewhat more dubious. And it also ignores the fact that Harsin was his OC for his first 5 seasons as an HC, including 61 of his 147 wins, 3/4ths of his top 10 AP finishes and both of his BCS Bowl victories.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:37 pm to FearlessFreep
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Of course your argument that Harsin "failed" at BSU based on him being unable to replicate the success of the 6th winningest CFB HC in the last 60 years is somewhat more dubious. And it also ignores the fact that Harsin was his OC for his first 5 seasons as an HC, including 61 of his 147 wins, 3/4ths of his top 10 AP finishes and both of his BCS Bowl victories.
You have to go back to 1999 to find a head coach at Boise St that had a worse record. It's not just Peterson.
And that's kind of my point. With all those resources and advantages, he still wasn't able to do very much with it. Now he's being asked to do more while having less advantages than his rivals and a much tougher schedule.
It's not like he was in some terrible team and helped them rise up, he took over a program a great coach had built.
If a guy comes in and replaces Saban, goes 10-3 every year. Are you going to cite his .769 win%, higher than most coaches, or are you going to say - well if he couldn't get it done there with those conditions, where can he get it done?
That is how I see Harsin. If he couldn't get it done at Boise St, where can he get it done. In worse conditions? Seems unlikely.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:58 pm to 3down10
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You have to go back to 1999 to find a head coach at Boise St that had a worse record. It's not just Peterson.
Btw, the funny thing about this is: The coach that had the worse record was also his HC when he was the QB at Boise St(1995-1999).
So he was the QB of the teams that had the worse records.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:02 pm to FearlessFreep
I have likely FORGOTTEN more about college football than the entirety of bammers posting in this thread.
Auburn has gotten a great coach in Harsin, football and general philosophy reasons together.
His practices are the best I have ever seen. No one has been noting that.
The idea that Harsin failed is so absurd a bammertrash lowlife would be the only one trying to make such a point.
The strength and conditioning program is likely the best Auburn has ever seen.
disagree with any of this bammerbullshite(tm)/ ask all those Power5's he smacked around.
GEEESH!
Auburn has gotten a great coach in Harsin, football and general philosophy reasons together.
His practices are the best I have ever seen. No one has been noting that.
The idea that Harsin failed is so absurd a bammertrash lowlife would be the only one trying to make such a point.
The strength and conditioning program is likely the best Auburn has ever seen.
disagree with any of this bammerbullshite(tm)/ ask all those Power5's he smacked around.
GEEESH!
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:15 pm to 3down10
quote:And the QB coach of the winningest starting QB in FBS history.
So he was the QB of the teams that had the worse records.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:17 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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ask all those Power5's he smacked around.
Ok, let's list them:
2014: #12 Arizona (10-4)
2015: Washington (7-6)
2016: Wazzu (8-5), Oregon St (4-8)
2017: Oregon (7-6)
2018: 0
2019: Florida St (6-7)
2020: 0
1 ranked team, and it was an overanked Pac12 team.
Take out the loss to Boise St, and the overall records for those teams: 42-36
Of course, he also lost to 6 P5 teams in that time as well. Most of them having similiar records, 6-7, 7-6 etc. 2014 Ole Miss was the only ranked team of that bunch.
You seem to think you hired Peterson.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:23 pm to FearlessFreep
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And the QB coach of the winningest starting QB in FBS history.
Are you sure you didn't use to be a Boise St fan? Because you guys ignore SoS just like they do.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:36 pm to FearlessFreep
Wasting your time. He still will talk shite even after Harsin and Auburn come out and punch Alabama in the teeth.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:45 pm to Leto II
quote:Yeah, he seems to regard himself as the last word in all things Harsin.
Wasting your time. He still will talk shite even after Harsin and Auburn come out and punch Alabama in the teeth.
Like I’ve said all along, it was an out-of-the-box hire, something that AU fans are totally unaccustomed to experiencing. That alone gives me adequate reason for optimism.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:47 pm to FearlessFreep
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it was an out-of-the-box hire, something that AU fans are totally unaccustomed to experiencing. That alone gives me adequate reason for optimism.
Absolutely! I was thrilled that it wasn't an old Auburn or SEC retread this time. Time will tell how he does, but I am optimistic.
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