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re: As was stated by a Tide fan, I am also against paying college athletes.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:49 am to civiltiger07
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:49 am to civiltiger07
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I stand by my original reply
Your original reply did not in any way explain how this would be feasible, nor did it address the myriad of reasons presented by the NCAA, experts, or other ranters here as to why it WOULDN'T be feasible. You basically just keep saying the same thing without providing any supporting points "I just think we ought to pay these players" isn't an argument. Hell, we pay college coaches $10M...why not pay them a mere $5M and peel some of that off for the players. I get that...but what you are failing to do is pose the very obvious next question: "ok then..so how would we do that? And what are the implications of those strategies?".
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I understand your feelings here. I just don't think your wish for college football to remain "pure" means that a player can't get an endorsement deal.
If it was simply a matter of a player getting an endorsement, and there wouldn't be any consequences to that, I'd agree with you...but obviously there would be consequences the fact that you are unable to wrap your mind around them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:51 am to MullenBoys
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Yes, and because of their college careers they are all gonna get the big payday after college PLUS a degree to fall back on.
Well then you are just being narrow-minded. The top tier of college football players, can be making hundreds of thousands if not millions right now because of their work on the field. They are literally worth well more than they are getting now, and thats factual....
But even past the top tier, because 95% of CFB players, and 99.9% of student athletes will not be collecting any sort of payday for athletics after they leave schools... What if EA sports wants to give every college football player and every college basketball player $1,000 to create them in the video game? What if the local shoe store wants to pay an LSU track player for a commercial? What if the local gymnastics club or swimming club wants to use an LSU gymnast or swimmer to put on billboards around BR? Their careers are almost guaranteed to end after college, why can't they get paid to maximize their brand?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:53 am to DonaldDuckworth
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Your original reply did not in any way explain how this would be feasible, nor did it address the myriad of reasons presented by the NCAA, experts, or other ranters here as to why it WOULDN'T be feasible. You basically just keep saying the same thing without providing any supporting points "I just think we ought to pay these players" isn't an argument. Hell, we pay college coaches $10M...why not pay them a mere $5M and peel some of that off for the players. I get that...but what you are failing to do is pose the very obvious next question: "ok then..so how would we do that? And what are the implications of those strategies?".
I'm pretty sure he isn't replying because this law has nothing to do with the schools paying players. Most people are against that because of the massive inequity problem it would create coming from a single payer that is a public institution that 90% of lose money. That isn't what this is about.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:57 am to MullenBoys
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I call it like it REALLY is. You agree or disagree?
My take is similar to yours. They should not change the rules to allow college athletes to make money. The list of unintended consequences is enormous.
Let's say the biggest schools allow their players to make money from their likeness? That could be putting their picture on a tshirt and selling them. The university could give said player one million dollars for this, even if no shirts are ever sold...it's money for his "likeness". The school could do this for every player. The top programs will get all the good players and the lower tier schools that cannot afford to will be out of luck.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:05 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Let's say the biggest schools allow their players to make money from their likeness? That could be putting their picture on a tshirt and selling them. The university could give said player one million dollars for this, even if no shirts are ever sold...it's money for his "likeness". The school could do this for every player. The top programs will get all the good players and the lower tier schools that cannot afford to will be out of luck.
The schools CANNOT pay the players. Only third parties can... I understand the fear of a school like Oregon using Nike money to give everyone an endorsement when they sign. This NEEDS to be regulated to maintain balance. Although, Phil Knight is probably paying all these players already anyway. I have maintained that something will happen, either a federal law or the NCAA will make a ruling on this. Its coming no matter what, they just need to make smart decisions when it comes to regulation.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:08 am to GeauxPack81
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The schools CANNOT pay the players. Only third parties can.
You realize schools don't pay buyouts for coaches or build stadiums for their teams...right? Third party boosters do this.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:11 am to 1BIGTigerFan
You realize the boosters already pay these players right?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:17 am to GeauxPack81
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You realize the boosters already pay these players right?
Yes, and it's difficult to catch the bagman now. Imagine how difficult it will be to police this if it's legal.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 10:09 am to MullenBoys
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1) College football players have it best but not exclusive. Free tuition and they eat the best meals. College also provides them a place to showcase their talents and make HUGE money in the NFL draft. For those who don’t make the NFL draft, some are free agents who sign while others may go overseas to play for good money. Meanwhile, while on campus, they get a college degree others pay thousands for. That goes for ALL recruited athletes.
This is really the only reason that needs to be stated.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 10:22 am to civiltiger07
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You are likely to stupid to be in this conversation.
nice! You've found multiple ways to display your stupidity in one short sentence. That takes talent.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:14 am to GeauxPack81
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I'm pretty sure he isn't replying because this law has nothing to do with the schools paying players. Most people are against that because of the massive inequity problem it would create coming from a single payer that is a public institution that 90% of lose money. That isn't what this is about.
Yes...and the focus of my comments were on the scenarios being proposed in CA and FL. He's not replying because, like you, he has no answer for the litany of consequences detailed by those of us with more than a few brain cells bouncing around a nearly empty cranium.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:36 am to Animal
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NIKE will pay handsomely for the right to use the likeness of every number one player at every position.
Oregon stacked
College football f'd
1. Every other university dumps Nike for every sport. You won't even be able to find a Nike sock in a campus book store. Problem solved.
2. Players can profit off their likenesses, not the school logo. There's a reason why Fred McGriff wore those silly caps in TV commercials instead of Braves or Blue Jays caps. Tua could appear in a TV commercial, but not wearing his jersey or even a script A.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:40 am to GeauxPack81
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I understand the fear of a school like Oregon using Nike money to give everyone an endorsement when they sign.
You regulate this very easily by having the other 127 FBS athletic directors tell Knight that no athlete at their universities will ever wear so much as a Nike sock, and no item with a Nike logo will ever be found in the campus bookstore.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:50 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Let's say the biggest schools allow their players to make money from their likeness? That could be putting their picture on a tshirt and selling them. The university could give said player one million dollars for this, even if no shirts are ever sold
Have some of you people never even fricking heard of Title IX? Regardless of whatever law whatever state passes, federal law trumps state law all day long, and it is blatantly illegal under federal law for a school to give one player even $100 dollars, not to mention $1,000,000
What the hell is it with some of you people?
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:58 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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The schools CANNOT pay the players. Only third parties can.
You realize schools don't pay buyouts for coaches or build stadiums for their teams...right? Third party boosters do this.
And boosters operating as an official arm of the university athletic department are also bound by Title IX. Sure, boosters do illegal shite. When you bring it out of the shadows and legitimize it and they function as an arm of the athletic department, they can't pay a football player anything more than they pay every woman athlete.
There have been numerous Title IX cases where schools have been held responsible for what booster clubs did.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:31 pm to MullenBoys
4) There are 460,000 college athletes. Maybe 200 get paid ungodly amounts of money. Same thing every year. 5 or 6 schools have super badass teams. They run through their schedule beating everyone they play 77-0. We don't see a real football game till the Championship Series. Rinse , Repeat...
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:48 pm to MullenBoys
They are paid already? The get tuition, room and board, and meals. How are they not already paid?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:59 pm to DonaldDuckworth
So, to profit from their likeness means sponsorship, paid autographs, etc.. who is going to police that?
Why does someone have to “police” endorsement deals? Who are the “police” for any other endorsement deal in the country?
I was not replying because I have a job.
List the “litany of consequences”.
Why does someone have to “police” endorsement deals? Who are the “police” for any other endorsement deal in the country?
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He's not replying because, like you, he has no answer for the litany of consequences detailed by those of us with more than a few brain cells bouncing around a nearly empty cranium
I was not replying because I have a job.
List the “litany of consequences”.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:59 pm to MullenBoys
I remember the last time State tried to pay a player:
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:00 pm to BamaGradinTn
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it is blatantly illegal under federal law for a school to give one player even $100 dollars, not to mention $1,000,000
You realize it's illegal for the Alabama bagman to pay players right? And they're not just paying random players, they're paying the players that the coaches are interested in. Same will go for paying for a players "likeness". Some "random" third party will find out what recruits arenwantes by the "school" and then magically make up a t-shirt with the recruits likeness and pay them money. Don't act like it isn't happening now and would happen even more under the new rules.
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