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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:20 pm to aggressor
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:20 pm to aggressor
quote:Y'all better hope NCAA is as naive as you all are
Though nothing is out there showing either way, I'm sure they have asked him. I also would suspect he said he has signed autos but hasn't ever been paid. At which point the compliance folks can say that he has been accused by others and he can say it's not true. It still comes back to that money trail.
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:21 pm to mrbroker
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:22 pm to mrbroker
A&M isn't going to break away from the NCAA alone. They will do everything they can in good faith to find out what happened. They won't sacrifice the school over one athlete, it's just not going to happen. This isn't the '80s or '90s when A&M got put on probation, A&M takes compliance very seriously and hasn't had a blip since '94 for a reason.
It still keeps coming back to the lack of hard evidence though. Unless Johnny is proven to have taken money or it is proven Nate took money with Johnny's blessing there really isn't anywhere for this to go. The fact that Johnny is still practicing with the 1st team and his attorney seems confident he will play certainly bodes well that there isn't some smoking gun out there.
We can speculate all day but until there is real evidence ever day that passes without it makes it more likely Johnny will get off with little or no penalty.
It still keeps coming back to the lack of hard evidence though. Unless Johnny is proven to have taken money or it is proven Nate took money with Johnny's blessing there really isn't anywhere for this to go. The fact that Johnny is still practicing with the 1st team and his attorney seems confident he will play certainly bodes well that there isn't some smoking gun out there.
We can speculate all day but until there is real evidence ever day that passes without it makes it more likely Johnny will get off with little or no penalty.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:23 pm to CosmicGas93361
the NCAA has a governing board made up of presidents and such from member schools...So you would be basically biting the hand that feeds you..You screw the NCAA and they choose to cut you off, then you won't have enough oil money to keep your sports programs at any level afloat.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:25 pm to Sargentwinslow9
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He didn't buy what he allegedly said he was going to buy so its proof the whole thing didn't take place? Talk about grasping at straws.
No straws being grasped here, but you seem to be asking Manziel to prove a negative. If he did have new rims, this would add some level of credence to the broker's story.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:25 pm to aggressor
i agree with what you said but most sports pundits that i have heard in the past week including some from the great state of Texas feels like JFF will not be playing FB opening day.
So would you agree that if the investigation is still ongoing that TAMU would be unwise to play him until definitive word has come down from on high
So would you agree that if the investigation is still ongoing that TAMU would be unwise to play him until definitive word has come down from on high
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:25 pm to Diamondawg
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Y'all better hope NCAA is as naive as you all are
So you think as of right now there is enough evidence against Manziel to suspend? People saying he was paid and 5000 supposed autographs is all it takes?
So since Clowney has over 2000 autographs for sale on eBay, all it would take to get him suspended is a picture of him signing a handful of signatures:
and someone accusing him of being paid for them.
I, MMB5DAP, claim that I paid Clowney 10,000 for 10 signatures.
Okay, so now the NCAA has just as much evidence against him as Manziel.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:25 pm to aggressor
I agree.. There seems to be the rub. If the NCAA decides to disqualify him, it looks like they will have to make a jump of faith in order to do so. I don't know if they would do that.
If they find the trail, he done. And rightfully so.
If they find the trail, he done. And rightfully so.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:27 pm to aggressor
Good post, but:
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These guys run a business, they should have records of the money...
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:28 pm to Jobu93
with the Cam saga it was not officially concluded until a year after he left school.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:30 pm to mrbroker
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with the Cam saga it was not officially concluded until a year after he left school.
If you are A&M, you conduct a thorough investigation. If no definitive proof comes up, you play him, pretty simple.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:32 pm to MMB5DAP
When is A&M going to dump this cancer ?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:32 pm to MMB5DAP
quote:If I was A&M, yes. I would suspend him and petition the NCAA for a ruling on his eligibility. They either have something or they don't. They either reinstate him or if they don't and then you know they have something. It protects the school going forward to the extent that the school can be protected.
So you think as of right now there is enough evidence against Manziel to suspend?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:32 pm to MMB5DAP
Yes. Be meticulous, but if you find no evidence, play him. All that can be done.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:33 pm to mrbroker
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i agree with what you said but most sports pundits that i have heard in the past week including some from the great state of Texas feels like JFF will not be playing FB opening day.
So would you agree that if the investigation is still ongoing that TAMU would be unwise to play him until definitive word has come down from on high
Not necessarily. I think the investigation will either be wrapped up or A&M will know if there is a smoking gun by that time. I also think A&M will pressure the NCAA to rule or to bless whatever action they take. The only risk they would run at that point is that after doing all they could to investigate someone comes out of the woodwork with evidence. I think you take that chance.
This isn't happening in a vacuum. A&M and Manziel have hired good attorneys. They have a gameplan and they are very aware of the stakes.
I could definitely see Manziel suspended regardless of what else comes out, you can't predict the NCAA or even the actions of the A&M AD. That said, I still think it all comes down to a smoking gun that may not exist and in all likelihood does not exist.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:34 pm to mrbroker
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So would you agree that if the investigation is still ongoing that TAMU would be unwise to play him until definitive word has come down from on high
It would only be unwise if there was evidence to be found that A&M had a good reason to believe Manziel was guilty and played him anyway.
If A&M can legitimately say and document that they conducted their own investigation and found nothing substantial, the program itself should be fine should the NCAA at a later date decide to suspend him. This is especially true if the smoking gun comes out AFTER the season starts. The only time the NCAA punishes ignorance is if it is willful as in the case of a program not monitoring and doing their due diligence.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:35 pm to Diamondawg
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If I was A&M, yes. I would suspend him and petition the NCAA for a ruling on his eligibility. They either have something or they don't. They either reinstate him or if they don't and then you know they have something. It protects the school going forward to the extent that the school can be protected.
Suspend him for what exactly? Being accused of signing autographs for money. So all an A&M fan has to do to get a Bama/LSU player suspended is accuse him? No evidence required right?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:35 pm to finestfirst79
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Good post, but:
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These guys run a business, they should have records of the money...
Your laughter kind of makes the point for me. These aren't very credible people accusing Manziel and if they are they would have records.
Did we hit 300 pages yet?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:36 pm to Diamondawg
How quick is the ruling once A&M kicks it up to the NCAA?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:37 pm to aggressor
Soon
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 4:38 pm
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