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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us

Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:16 pm to
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:16 pm to
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Posted by biclops
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:16 pm to
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At this point I'd say its a lot worse than cam as far as info out there


True, I just meant the "smoke but no (visible) fire" thing.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:17 pm to
FROM NCAA STATEMENT CONT

Thus, with so much at stake, there are enormous incentives for ''revenue sport'' coaches and others to do as much as possible to gain a competitive advantage, even if that means breaking an NCAA rule. There is no doubt that the incentives to cheat are great, the opportunities to cheat are numerous, the likelihood of getting caught appears to be fairly small, and every institution is suspicious that its competitors are ''getting away with something'' and thereby gaining some competitive advantage. It is this environment that the NCAA is charged with adopting and enforcing its complex set of rules designed to preserve the ideal of the amateur student-athlete. This is obviously no easy task.

The task is made even more difficult by the fact that the NCAA is a private organization, and thus it lacks the authority to employ important investigative and prosecutorial techniques available to public law enforcement and criminal justice authorities. It has no power to compel individuals to provide information. It cannot subpoena witnesses to attend depositions or hearings. It cannot hold individuals in contempt for not complying with its procedural rules or requests. It cannot impose fines or imprison individuals who violate the rules or lie. It cannot arrest or detain anyone. It cannot grant anyone immunity from criminal prosecution should his ''testimony'' reveal illegal activity. In short, as a purely private membership organization, the NCAA must rely entirely on the voluntary cooperation of those who have relevant information to provide that information, and its only ''power'' is the ability to withhold or condition the benefits of membership.
Thus, the NCAA enforcement process necessarily must try to carry out its mission in an environment in which the deck is heavily stacked against it. Furthermore, it is critical to recognize that, just like with any public criminal justice system, no process for ascertaining facts, determining guilt, and handing out punishment is perfect. Even with our criminal justice system and all of its constitutional protections for defendants, we often read about convicted ''criminals'' being released from prison, sometimes from death row, after many years of incarceration because new evidence has established their innocence. Over the years many people have been falsely accused and often convicted of crimes that they did not commit, just as many guilty individuals have escaped justice. Thus, it is pointless to ask if the NCAA's system is imperfect, for it inevitably is and will be. No matter how much power is entrusted to enforcement authorities and how few protections are given to the ''accused,'' some who are guilty will escape; and no matter how many rights are guaranteed, some who are innocent will be unjustly accused and perhaps even found guilty. Rather, the appropriate question is how should the NCAA structure its process to minimize both the false positives (those wrongfully accused or found guilty) and the false negatives (those guilty of violations who escape punishment), and thereby deter further wrongdoing, while maintaining an acceptable balance between those two undesirable but inevitable dysfunctions.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:18 pm to
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No one is stopping players from making money off their own brand. They simply just can't play under the NCAA umbrella anymore once they do...there are plenty other umbrellas outside the NCAA where players can make as much $$$ as they so desire off their own brand.


If they don't like it, play in Canada, play in Europe, sit at home and pay for training, rehab, nutritionist, coaching, etc... On your own. Then you will see how much the schools are spending/giving you besides an education.
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:19 pm to
Stahp. No one is reading your walls of text.
Posted by AmericusDawg
Member since Oct 2012
8577 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:21 pm to
Bama's schedule just became as easy as it could be. They play LSU and that is it.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:22 pm to
Admit that he sold autographs, give the money back or to charity, self-impose a 5 game ban and see if the NCAA bites. This way the NCAA doesn't have the mess to deal with and can accept and A&M and JFF can salvage a season and bowl.
Posted by 08Gatorbait
Member since Jul 2013
2316 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:24 pm to
In

can't believe I waited this long.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 5:25 pm
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14924 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:24 pm to
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Schools should not have to pay athletes.


No, the NCAA should.
In 2012, they had a income of $837.7 million. So your saying with all that income in 2012, they could not afford to give student athletes a stipend of even just like $500 a semester?

With the # of student athletes being 420,000, that stipend would still leave them with an income of over $400 million.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
13085 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:25 pm to
What will keep Johnny football from just throwing in the towel? He will still get drafted next year. He won't go as high, see the Honey Badger, but he will still make a team. His family is already rich. I hope he has to stay and face the teams a second time around. But he comes off as a very selfish individual. What kind of role model is he? Is he the face of Aggie football? Kind of ugly looking, right about now.
Posted by 3andOut
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2013
3716 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:25 pm to
Been in meetings for the last couple of hours... heard something about a video. Any substance behind it?
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16355 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

What will keep Johnny football from just throwing in the towel? He will still get drafted next year. He won't go as high, see the Honey Badger, but he will still make a team. His family is already rich. I hope he has to stay and face the teams a second time around. But he comes off as a very selfish individual. What kind of role model is he? Is he the face of Aggie football? Kind of ugly looking, right about now.


This would be the most epic of meltdowns and nothing would piss aggies off more IMO. He COULD play but just doesn't and gets ready for the draft. I doubt it happens but he could just say frick it and be done
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28370 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:27 pm to
Yes, pretty much confirms to reasonable people that JM is guilty. But the owner of said video says he won't work with NCAA. Joe schad watched the video and JM had some very incriminating comments in it.

Paraphrased-
-we never met if anyone asks
-no I won't take extra cash for personalized autographs because that has led to questions in the past
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 5:29 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:27 pm to
Good article on lack of due process in NCAA investigations

LINK
Posted by dallasga6
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Admit that he sold autographs, give the money back or to charity, self-impose a 5 game ban and see if the NCAA bites. This way the NCAA doesn't have the mess to deal with and can accept and A&M and JFF can salvage a season and bowl.

I could & I think most on here could live with that solution...
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72114 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:28 pm to
No. Kids get a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:29 pm to
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There's almost zero risk and a ton of reward in continue to let this play out.
there's both risk and reward. Look at Auburn and their All In mentality.. They may not admit it but while that season gave them a NC, it came at an awful price publicity and reputation wise. And it clearly didn't help in subsequent seasons.

I doubt A&M wants to go through an entire season of Joe Schad stories.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149794 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:30 pm to
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heard something about a video. Any substance behind it?
videos still do not show manziel being given money. just show him signing shite
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 5:31 pm
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
21300 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:30 pm to
yet
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:30 pm to
Not bad. But it really depends on the likelihood of more damning info being out there, and what the NCAA can do with hearsay/circumstantial evidence.

A&M will evaluate options. That is what the Law firm was hired to advise on.
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