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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:58 pm to Cap Crunch
Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:58 pm to Cap Crunch
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:58 pm to YStar
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quality addition to the thread
Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:59 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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That sounds like JFF declined to take money for special inscriptions
Where did he ever accept money?
Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:59 pm to Dr RC
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What exactly do you think they should get paid?
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whatever the schools deem their value to be.
Let the schools decide? Horrible idea. So SEC schools would then decide that recruit X is worth 2x what any other conference's schools think he is worth.
A&M provides him with an education, room & board, food, text books, tutoring if needed, and a stage with which to display his football talents to 32 potential future employers. He, and all college athletes, are given enough.
If you want to set up some type of trust for them that they can only access upon completion of eligibility and/or graduation then that is worth exploring, IMO.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 4:59 pm to Cap Crunch
Since this kid is rich enough to have a Mercedes tons of spending money and a personal ball washer aka assistant, I don't think this is the guy that can carry the players should get paid banner.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:00 pm to lowspark12
Zero risks if A&M didn't and still doesn't know if he got paid. But between now and the time kickoff rolls around I imagine they will know the truth. At that point if he did get paid they have got to at least suspend him until the NCAA rules. Can't risk playing an illegible player. That could hurt the school way more than just losing Johnny.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:00 pm to The_Joker
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What about swimmers or lax players? Cheerleaders? Band members? SGA members? Football players aren't the only ones who work a lot and most of them don't even try in their bull shite majors.
Lol all those people bring NOTHING in terms of money to the University compared to Football.
That is like some idiot minimum wage worker thinking "Why am I not paid as a doctor" uh, because you don't do the work of a doctor.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:01 pm to piggilicious
Ha, yeah I am.
The NCAA is a few bad moves away from having the major conferences forming a new league. I would just pretend not to have any concert info and wait till you appease the major conferences before making huge decisions.
That is just my opinion though.
The NCAA is a few bad moves away from having the major conferences forming a new league. I would just pretend not to have any concert info and wait till you appease the major conferences before making huge decisions.
That is just my opinion though.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:01 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I would distance the school from this guy at this point.
Yup. Drop him like a hot potato and don't look back.
That's what I would recommend. Regardless of how this ends, he's damaged his reputation and A&Ms, and ensured that if he plays, he will personally be the topic of discussion for every game this year. He thinks he's been under scrutiny before? It must increased 100-fold. A&M is better off in the long run to distance itself from him. The team and the program are way bigger than one arrogant, self-important (albeit talented) douchebag like Johnny Manziel.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:02 pm to Killean
quote:Can every school afford to pay that? And can they afford to pay the womenz athletes too?
Nobody is saying they should make big bucks.. but I'm thinking $1k a month per player (approximately a million dollars a year for a team) would be pretty reasonable and take away a lot of the legitimate complaints.
There are only about a dozen programs that operate in the black these days.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:03 pm to Indfanfromcol
A&M at this point has zero liability or culpability in this and probably will not have any unless they lie or do a cover up. This is very old but one of few examples you can find that explains how the NCAA really works, and it is under oath.
LINK
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:03 pm to semotruman
I kind of hope a&m fights the NCAA, stands by their man, he plays the whole season, and A&M goes 7-5/8-4
Then, after that, the hammer comes down.
Then, after that, the hammer comes down.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:04 pm to YStar
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Lol all those people bring NOTHING in terms of money to the University compared to Football.
Well actually they do, some sports counter title 9, some activities improve gameday experience, all are a part of the athletic system in a university in some form or fashion. Just because two sports generate the majority of the revenue, doesn't mean other aspects aren't a cog in the machine.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:04 pm to bamasgot13
I don't see a problem with players getting some sort of compensation when their likeness is used. Even if it were some sort of scaled or pooled benefit that was put into a trust until they reach a certain age, I think it would be better than the system they have now.
I especially think this for the players who work really hard in school and don't have the NFL opportunities. Prothro for Alabama comes to mind. People wear his jersey, buy all sorts of stuff, he gets hurt, and he sees absolutely nothing.
If you start talking about kids receiving money in college, or the big stars getting millions more than the other teammates, I think that's a whole different animal. That has the potential to get really ugly and gross. There has to be some regulation, and the bigger stars will always complain.
Also, it should be noted that the NCAA requires health insurance, but it's up to the individual schools to decide how much to pay. The larger teams have the resources, but honestly, the smaller teams don't. Kids can get hurt on the field, playing for the school, and receive no help with hospital bills or future conditions that are directly caused by playing in college.
Lastly, no one is telling someone with an academic scholarship that they can't use their resources for financial gain. If someone wants to model for extra money, they can absolutely do that. They can do anything they want with their intellectual property, and they can do it while they are in school. No one is saying that their education should be enough. Don't know why athletes are given different rules.
I especially think this for the players who work really hard in school and don't have the NFL opportunities. Prothro for Alabama comes to mind. People wear his jersey, buy all sorts of stuff, he gets hurt, and he sees absolutely nothing.
If you start talking about kids receiving money in college, or the big stars getting millions more than the other teammates, I think that's a whole different animal. That has the potential to get really ugly and gross. There has to be some regulation, and the bigger stars will always complain.
Also, it should be noted that the NCAA requires health insurance, but it's up to the individual schools to decide how much to pay. The larger teams have the resources, but honestly, the smaller teams don't. Kids can get hurt on the field, playing for the school, and receive no help with hospital bills or future conditions that are directly caused by playing in college.
Lastly, no one is telling someone with an academic scholarship that they can't use their resources for financial gain. If someone wants to model for extra money, they can absolutely do that. They can do anything they want with their intellectual property, and they can do it while they are in school. No one is saying that their education should be enough. Don't know why athletes are given different rules.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:04 pm to YStar
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Lol all those people bring NOTHING in terms of money to the University compared to Football.
That is like some idiot minimum wage worker thinking "Why am I not paid as a doctor" uh, because you don't do the work of a doctor
His basis for that was that football players put in way more work than anyone else, which is not true. And if the argument is that student athletes should get paid because they don't have time for another job and what they are already given isn't enough, then yes, you have to consider small sports as well.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:04 pm to semotruman
I wonder what his teammates think of him nowadays.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:05 pm to NYCAuburn
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Well actually they do, some sports counter title 9, some activities improve gameday experience, all are a part of the athletic system in a university in some form or fashion. Just because two sports generate the majority of the revenue, doesn't mean other aspects aren't a cog in the machine.
Anther valid point
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:06 pm to NATidefan
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I wonder what his teammates think of him nowadays.
Probably not many good thoughts
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:06 pm to Killean
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Scholarships are nice and all but football players work a lot damn harder than anybody on an academic scholarship with far more demands on their time and far more restrictions.
They are also receiving benefits an ordinary person would pay a fortune for. They are essentially being groomed for two careers, one athletic, one of their major.
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Nobody is saying they should make big bucks.. but I'm thinking $1k a month per player (approximately a million dollars a year for a team) would be pretty reasonable and take away a lot of the legitimate complaints.
Only a few schools would be able to afford this. They also make up to like 17-19k a year on top of schollies and benefits.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 5:06 pm to Dr RC
quote:It's not the 85 football players that's the problem... It's the 250-300 other Student Athletes who you will have to pay also....
What exactly do you think they should get paid?
whatever the schools deem their value to be.
That lil Title IX thingy that the Fed Gov loves so much might be a prob...
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