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re: Arkansas Fans. Who Was the Real Villain in Hatfield vs. Broyles?
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:22 am to Fletch1985
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:22 am to Fletch1985
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If my information is incorrect, provide rebuttal information. Otherwise we will assume your attempts at distraction are a substitute for being able to make a rebuttal.
If you’re too big a coward to post your team affiliation to let us know why you’re attacking the program then the conversation is over. Man up or go away.
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:29 am to captdalton
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Who Was the Real Villain in Hatfield vs. Broyles?
Mike Tyson’s arse
Posted on 12/14/24 at 6:28 am to Fletch1985
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Arkansas hired Hatfield instead of Jimmy Johnson
In five years at OK State, Johnson went a very average 29-25 in a two-team (OU/Nebraska) league. Sure he had success at Miami but do you really think he could have recruited players like Michael Irvin, Testeverde, etc to Fayetteville?
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:57 am to TexasTiger08
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And what was the deal with Bama brass meddling with Stallings that caused his resignation?
Andrew Sorensen, Alabama president at the time, was a conceited prick who had a wildly inflated self worth who looked down on Stallings because he was not refined enough. Bob Bockrath was a conceited prick who was also an incompetent imbecile. Both had been on Stallings to change the way he did things and change his image to appear more refined. Both thought they were smarter than Stallings. Bockrath made some comments in public that were picked up by the media questioning and criticizing Stallings and how he ran the football program and managed the team. The final nail was when #8 Alabama lost to Mississippi State 17-16. Rumor has it that Bockrath came into the locker room after the game and in front of the team criticized Stallings for how he had coached and who he had played in that game. Stallings resigned at the end of the season.
He left after 7 years with 70 wins, a 10 win per season average. He also won 3 SEC west titles, 1 SEC title, and 1 national title. He would have won more, but he had to face Spurrier during his peak.
Bob Bockrath was an unmitigated disaster at Alabama. Even though he only lasted three seasons before getting fired himself, he wrecked the football program by forcing Stallings out and then hiring Mike Dubose.
And Andrew Sorensen was a shitty human who checked off all the negative stereotype boxes of an academic elitist. He was a Yankee who was an alum of Yale and Michigan. He looked down on the south and all the backwoods rednecks who live here, and to him everyone was a backwoods redneck. He also wanted to completely control the athletic department and change it’s image. frick him. He was not fired, instead leaving to go wreck South Carolina. But rumor has it the reason he left is that he was strongly encouraged to by one VERY influential booster with a very recognizable last name.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:03 am to Clark14
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You have no clue what you’re talking about. Hatfield isn’t hated in Arkansas and no one speaks badly about him.
Literally the first three people to reply to this thread.
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There was no internet back then but fans were disgruntled because Ken’s flexbone offense had a ceiling where he could beat the teams he was supposed to beat but got beat/ hammered by quality teams.
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The best thing for Hatfield was the internet wasn’t in use back then or he would have gotten the Nutt treatment.
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Hatfield was short sighted in he wanted to stay in the dying SWC. Broyales was playing chess while Hatfield was playing checkers
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He wasn’t ran off by anyone but himself. He wouldn’t adjust to the changing climate of college football, like Saban did, and chose to leave on his own
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Hatfield had a big ego ... on a narcissistic scale, which Clemson fans soon found out was unbearable.
It doesn’t seem like Hatfield was well liked or respected then or now. But this answered my question, Arkansas fans blame Hatfield for how things turned out, not Frank Broyles.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:10 am to captdalton
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Broyles as AD certainly seemed to have a very rocky relationship with Arkansas’ head football coaches.
If you think Broyles had a rocky relationship with just our head football coaches you would be mistaken. Broyles ran off back to back Hall of Fame coaches in basketball.
I suspect the only reason John McDonnell lasted here is that Broyles was happy to just build the facilities for the program and not that interested in how the program was run, as long as they were successful.
Broyles did a lot for Arkansas sports. A lot of good, and his fair share of bad.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:32 am to CaptainCrash
Jimmy Johnson was the reason Miami was on probation in the 90s and it took another former Razorback in Butch Davis to clean up his mess.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:29 pm to Fletch1985
Arkansas struggled in the 90s without being on any kind of probation. Jimmy would not have near the level of talent at Arkansas that he would have at Miami. He could get better players sure but that would get the attention of the rest of the SWC members who in turn would tell the NCAA that Arkansas is cheating, go investigate. They would do so as Jimmy would leave and Arkansas would be on probation right before they joined the SEC.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 6:09 pm to Arksulli
Frank should have retired soon after Arkansas joined the SEC and gave the keys to Terry Don Phillips.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 6:31 pm to Arksulli
Seems Broyles had a rocky relationship with his former players who were head coaches (Johnson, Switzer, Hatfield, etc)
Might just be a coach thing. I can remember reading that as AD Broyles would get so nervous during Arkansas football games he would go and walk the upper deck of the stadium and try not to pay attention to the game. There’s no doubt he loved Arkansas. Bobby Dodd begged him to come back to Georgia Tech and save the program and Broyles wouldn’t do it. He stayed at Arkansas.
Might just be a coach thing. I can remember reading that as AD Broyles would get so nervous during Arkansas football games he would go and walk the upper deck of the stadium and try not to pay attention to the game. There’s no doubt he loved Arkansas. Bobby Dodd begged him to come back to Georgia Tech and save the program and Broyles wouldn’t do it. He stayed at Arkansas.
This post was edited on 12/14/24 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:40 pm to ronricks
I miss those days when we were good
Posted on 12/14/24 at 7:54 pm to ronricks
Without ADs John Barnhill and Frank Broyles, Arkansas wouldn't be a major program.
Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:01 pm to Arksulli
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If you think Broyles had a rocky relationship with just our head football coaches you would be mistaken. Broyles ran off back to back Hall of Fame coaches in basketball.
I remember hearing stories of eddie’s drinking problems and when he left for Kentucky I don’t remember anyone being unhappy about it. Everyone appreciated him and until his death honored him for what he built here, but it was time to move on.
Frank hired Nolan and stuck with him through the lean early years and supported him when his daughter was dying. But things like that are forgotten and replaced by unfounded hatred of the man.
Without Frank we wouldn’t be having these conversations because we never would have been in this conference.
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