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re: Arkansas 2020 is Arkansas 2019 with a better turnover margin
Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:13 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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they would have won
*citation needed
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:32 am to Roger Klarvin
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this is a product of Odom’s defense. Teams are able to consistently move the ball in 5-10 yards increments and Arkansas struggles getting off the field without turnovers.
So you're basically saying that we're purposely playing this way for our scheme, but if we weren't playing this way we wouldn't be winning? Obviously if it wasn't working Odom wouldn't be dropping 8 into coverage against these teams and we'd be better against the run. But offenses haven't scored more than 28 against us this year (there were several special teams and defensive scores, number goes down to 23 if you take out a blocked punt we had inside our own 15 against UGA).
You can't assume that taking turnovers away equals an automatic score. We could have made it 40-21 against Ole Miss but chose to kneel down, sure they could have gotten 2 more TDs with two fewer turnovers but they still would have lost. We also could have scored again against MSU if we didn't kneel down toward the end. These hypotheticals are impossible to predict.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:47 am to Roger Klarvin
Lol Piggies. A lot of talk for a group that has lost to little old Aggy 8 years in a row. But you kept it close a few times!!
Gonna be a little tough to intercept Mond 5 times when we run the ball for 350.
Ags 38
Hogs 17
Gonna be a little tough to intercept Mond 5 times when we run the ball for 350.
Ags 38
Hogs 17
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:08 pm to RoscoeHarper
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A lot of talk for a group that has lost to little old Aggy 8 years in a row
not true on advanced stats
I think it's about 4-4 or something, if we go by the stats that "matter"
That is the obvious irony with all of this thread, is we have won the box score against Aggy a lot in the past 8 years.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
This is like saying Nolan Richardson would have been an average basketball coach if his teams didn’t get those lucky turnovers.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:13 pm to RoscoeHarper
Last 8 years have been rough, I agree. Refresh my memory. What is the overall record? Yes, it matters, I was in college back in the SWC days.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:19 pm to gohogs141
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So you're basically saying that we're purposely playing this way for our scheme
That is Odom’s philosophy, yes. He believes most teams won’t be able to consistently slowly drive the field without turnovers or penalties or drops, and so by taking away everything more than 10-15 yards down the field he will limit opposing offenses enough to win. By doing this though he consistently concedes 5+ YPC in the running game and 5-10 yard catch and runs on dump offs, shallow in routes, comebacks, etc. Teams content to be displayed and do this all day tend to have lots of success against him, and his defenses are somewhat notorious for having trouble getting off the field when facing such offenses because they end up in a bunch of third and shorts that have high conversion rates.
Against teams determined to throw into his coverages down the field though he has lots of success. Arkansas may actually frustrate Bama a bit because Bama isn’t used to needing 12-15 plays to score.
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but if we weren't playing this way we wouldn't be winning?
The wins have been a combination of his defense up against offensive styles that play into his hands and opposing coaches refusing to adjust, plus some luck.
Like I said earlier, Ole Miss ran the ball very well. Had they been more deliberate about it and tried to reign in Corral, they probably win by a couple scores. Auburn dominated their game against Arkansas until they started trying to throw the ball 50% of the time.
Jimbo Fisher has a style of offense that is perfectly content taking 7 minutes to drive 75 yards in 5-10 yard increments. We have three TD drives this year of 6+ runs with one or zero passes, only the teams who run triple option offenses have more such drives to this point.
If Odom wants to give our backs 5-6 YPC, we’ve shown we’re willing to take that. If he does what he did at Mizzu and starts bringing a bunch of DB blitzes, our passing game (for all its faults) excels in the short game to combat quick pressure.
A&M probably won’t put up gaudy numbers, but I suspect Arkansas will struggle to get us off the field and lose TOP decidedly. If we don’t give them easy points via turnovers I don’t fear their offense.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
I bet you had to adjust the buttplug at least 5 times while typing all of that.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:30 pm to Beached Tusky
Sorry I know more about your team and coaches than you do
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
Roger Klarvin,
this guy LOL
8 pages of this guy proving what a dumb*** he is
Take away the interceptions and yada yada yada.
take away 5 points and we beat you in '19 moron
this guy LOL
8 pages of this guy proving what a dumb*** he is
Take away the interceptions and yada yada yada.
take away 5 points and we beat you in '19 moron
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
Speaking of coaches - how's your head coach's wife coping since there are no real men in College Station to rail her while her husband watches?
Does she get to use the Aggie jet to fly back to FL on a regular basis?
Does she get to use the Aggie jet to fly back to FL on a regular basis?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Like I said earlier, Ole Miss ran the ball very well. Had they been more deliberate about it and tried to reign in Corral, they probably win by a couple scores
i love the aggy in statements like this throughout the thread. as if all of this happened in a vacuum and had nothing to do with 38 pass attempts setting up the run
you know who else ran the ball well? 2019 Arkansas...4.7 yards per carry throughout the season. Fact of the matter is a lot of this is situational and in the end didn't matter
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If Odom wants to give our backs 5-6 YPC, we’ve shown we’re willing to take that.
additional irony in this thread.
Kellen Mond over his career, throws 0.46 INT's for every TD(52/24, TD/INT ratio), yet is 9/2 TD/INT this year, which means if he throws 3 TD's vs. Arkansas, he likely throws at 3-4 INT's to revert to his mean.
Talk about unsustainable.
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If we don’t give them easy points via turnovers I don’t fear their offense.
statistics say you will.
2020 Aggy is just like past aggy with magically a lot less INT's, im sure they will never show up.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:10 pm to beaverfever
Let's not forget that the defense stuffed Ole Miss on the one yard line on fourth down.
Should we take that away as well?
Should we take that away as well?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The wins have been a combination of his defense up against offensive styles that play into his hands and opposing coaches refusing to adjust, plus some luck.
Like I said earlier, Ole Miss ran the ball very well. Had they been more deliberate about it and tried to reign in Corral, they probably win by a couple scores.
Sounds like good gameplanning and knowing your opponent to me. It's the chicken/egg argument basically. Had Ole Miss stuck with the run there's no guarantee we wouldn't have adjusted the defense as well. When they were in obvious run situations (red zone, 3rd or 4th and short) we held up nicely against the run several times.
All we heard from MSU fans was that if we drop 8 and go into a zone then they'll run like crazy and score a bunch of points, but it didn't happen. The key will be if Odom is stubborn and tries the same defense against A&M or if he tailors the scheme to better match what A&M likes to do, which with his reputation he doesn't seem like he would pull a Pelini and play man against the air raid all game. The 3-2-6 is perfect for defending the type of offense most SEC teams run now but honestly a creative, unpredictable offense that mixes up the run and pass will score on a lot of defenses. That isn't really unique to us. Most teams don't have a great passing game and great running game though.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:56 pm to dchog
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Let's not forget that the defense stuffed Ole Miss on the one yard line on fourth down.
Should we take that away as well?
Twice.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:57 pm to dchog
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Let's not forget that the defense stuffed Ole Miss on the one yard line on fourth down.
Should we take that away as well?
Yes, according to Roger any big play Arkansas makes is a fluke and not sustainable
Posted on 10/19/20 at 3:13 pm to Porcine Human
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according to Roger any big play Arkansas makes is a fluke and not sustainable
while ironically not realizing how ridiculous it is to ignore how statistically lucky Aggy has been so far this year with their TD/INT ratio of 9/2.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 3:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
If Arkansas beats A&M after Jimbo's biggest win in 3 years I will jizz my pants from laughing so hard.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 3:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If Odom wants to give our backs 5-6 YPC, we’ve shown we’re willing to take that.
i also love coming back to this arrogance
Georgia, a much better rushing team than Aggy, rushed for 121 yards on 42 carries against us or 2.88 YPC, and excluding a long run of 20 yards ended up being a pedestrian 2.46 YPC, but ole Aggy is gonna double that b/c statistics and Barry odom?
why?
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