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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
Minor league idea is dumb. Comparing pay to the Olympics is dumb. The Olympics can't recruit!! That would be like Saudi Arabia having a kickass dream team in all events with players from all over the world because they were offering to pay the most. Could you imagine the bidding war for Fournette this year? Maybe it's a great idea. Just like the Olympics make them play for a school in their home state
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:29 pm to Crompdaddy8
brilliant..........
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:34 pm to LSUdm21
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These fricking college players are pissing me the frick off with their "we deserve to be paid" bullshite. You're getting something FOR frickING FREE that costs normal people $10K+ per year plus free clothes and all the other perks that come with being a big time college athlete. Oh, and he's full of shite. Athletic scholarships have included meal plans since forever and there has always been free snacks and shite. Cry me a fricking river.
Guy they bring the schools millions of dollars. After one year of playing in games, they've paid their scholarships and perks.
Let's say your school brings in 5 mill a year (very, very, very, very low ball) from the football program. 85 scholarships is 60 grand a year. Now let me go to the top 25 schools from just last year
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The cheapest at 25 was 34.5 million. Divide that by 85 and you have over 400k, nobody's spending 400k for a full ride to college even with all you can eat food and everything else.
Read this dipshit
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New York University — our most expensive school at a whopping $61,977 per year
Even adding in 15,000 thousand a year for extra shite would only net you a lil over 300k for 4 years.
These dudes worked hard as hell to get that scholarship, then work in the summer and all during the school year. You don't think practicing 3-5 hours a day isn't work? These guys work all year long and are underpaid greatly at their jobs.
USC is the #25 school with the most money from CFB and are the 14th most richest school to go to at 59,615. Looking at what I did above, these kids at USC are underpaid by 90k each year. Man 2000 a semester would not hurt these schools. That's 16 grand over four years.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:36 pm to monz29
If you don't think letting a player sell his autograph turns it into a bidding war then what will stop a booster from giving a recruit a Lamborghini for an autograph
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:39 pm to npt817
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Freek, how many minor league baseball games have you watched on your tv in your lifetime?
Now how many college baseball games have you watched?
Apples to oranges.
Here's a better question:
IF there was a team that had Les Miles, John Chavis, Cam Cameron, Mettenberger, OBJ, Landry, Hill, Magee, Blue, Collins, Freak, Ego, Allen, Hunter, Barrow, Mills, White, Loston amongst its roster in your home state....
...Would you watch that team, or the one wearing Purple & Gold LSU unis where Brad Kragthorpe is overwhelmingly the best player on the team?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:40 pm to LSUFreek
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The NFL does not take players earlier than 3 years right now because most players are not physically ready for the real NFL. So there wouldn't be any "calling up" situations until 3 years are up. You'd have the same system in place that currently exists.
So they would meet or beat the price of scholarship every year for a plethora of kids they don't have the time or resources to train with one single minor league team? So the best 4 or 5 QBs from the state of Texas every year, the NFL is going to pay them to sit on the bench til year 4, then one year as a minor league kid, then hope they get called up, and then they are cut immediately if they can't unseat Tom Brady? All for 40-50k a year? You only have the current system you have because you have people with such a huge love for their college willing to field an incredible number of teams, and put resources in to developing these players. There is absolutely no way a minor league could do that. I guarantee Andrew Luck would still have gone to Stanford, Johnny Manziel would have gone to Texas A&M if there was a minor league team or two in the state of Texas. The NFL can't pay 3 star QBs enough money every single year to turn down a free education. Your whole premise is flawed. It is that LSU coon arse loyalty is state pride and football, and while you have those things, a minor league football system isn't the vehicle that could channel those things. You could only have one team, there aren't kids graduating, you don't ahve the built in infrastructure of a college or the fans, you couldn't have enough kids year after year just ride the bench, it doesn't work like that. And no one would watch that. No one cares about minor league teams.
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I'm just noting the hypocrisy of NCAA cartel brainwashing CFB fans that their way is the only way to get players into football and their self-righteous insinuations that players should feel privileged to get fricked over by their school cuz "they get a free education!" that none of the players asked for, but were forced to sign in order to get football trade skills.
It is an incredible way for these players to get exposure through the exploitation of the fans dollar through the love of their college. You reject this premise and think that people would donate money to a corporation instead, which I still don't get. The MLB has a legal monopoly. They have for over 100 years. Baseball has a minor league. No one cares about it, yet people absolutely LOVE baseball, and they have for 100 years. The New York Yankees have more money than LSU. The average LSU football player, the median, not the super star, but the guy that is a good contributor, and despite what some swamp kittens might believe, isn't good enough to be on one of the 32 NFL rosters. Go ahead and double that number for your fantasy minor league teams. He isn't one of the 64 best players in entire world at his position. Maybe top 200. Not shabby for a 20 year old. He is making off like a bandit because if it wasn't for people blindly donating to their schools, there would be absolutely ZERO interest in anyone seeing him wear a football uniform.
No. The system doesn't allow every single player to maximize their physical abilities into a financial reward for every play they make on Saturday. But the value of that block or that catch or that interception isn't derived solely from their play on the field. It is derived from the name on the front of their jersey as well, and those institutions are colleges that DO give them some amount of value in the form of a free education. I think they need to reassess the food and room and board, but these players are NOT fricked over. They might be treated unfairly, but the only reason their physical tools have any value at all is because of the fans of those schools in the first place.
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No, there is another way, and the NFL could easily shut down CFB if it wanted to, but it won't and I'm glad. But it could.
No there really isn't. Minor leagues would never give the average player what college football does.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
You guys complaining about players not being compensated appropriately don't know much about economics.
An "employee's" value is only as much as someone is willing to "pay" him. I might think that I'm worth a hell of a lot more than I'm getting paid for my job, but if no one is willing to pay me what I think I'm owed, I'm not really worth that much, regardless of how much perceived or real value I bring to the company. It doesn't work that way anyway.
Just because I made my company an extra million dollars last year doesn't mean I'm worth a million dollars to my company (in salary + benefits). If someone else can bring in that much money and accept a lower pay, I'll get canned so that the new guy can cost the company less.
Same for anything that operates in the market, such as football. If players feel like they are worth more than a scholarship (and the perks and benefits that come with it), then they are free to take their skills and abilities elsewhere to try to get what they think they are worth. Problem is that there are limited avenues for making money with a talent for football.
An "employee's" value is only as much as someone is willing to "pay" him. I might think that I'm worth a hell of a lot more than I'm getting paid for my job, but if no one is willing to pay me what I think I'm owed, I'm not really worth that much, regardless of how much perceived or real value I bring to the company. It doesn't work that way anyway.
Just because I made my company an extra million dollars last year doesn't mean I'm worth a million dollars to my company (in salary + benefits). If someone else can bring in that much money and accept a lower pay, I'll get canned so that the new guy can cost the company less.
Same for anything that operates in the market, such as football. If players feel like they are worth more than a scholarship (and the perks and benefits that come with it), then they are free to take their skills and abilities elsewhere to try to get what they think they are worth. Problem is that there are limited avenues for making money with a talent for football.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:49 pm to LSUFreek
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IF there was a team that had Les Miles, John Chavis, Cam Cameron, Mettenberger, OBJ, Landry, Hill, Magee, Blue, Collins, Freak, Ego, Allen, Hunter, Barrow, Mills, White, Loston amongst its roster in your home state....
A minor league system would never develop or assemble those players and coaches. They wouldn't be able to give them the time, reps, or any amount of support that a college environment allows.
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...Would you watch that team, or the one wearing Purple & Gold LSU unis where Brad Kragthorpe is overwhelmingly the best player on the team?
Students in Baton Rouge wouldn't get up and go to Shreveport to see the Saints Lite. Louisiana transplants in Dallas and Houston wouldn't buy suites in that stadium, or personally bankroll Les' salary. Those same people wouldn't travel to Orlando when they team was playing Jacksonville lite. You just aren't getting it.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:50 pm to Crompdaddy8
This is why Bama fans hate Fulmer. He's such a fricking hypocrite. It's like Urban Meyer nowadays - tattling on others when you're just as dirty.
I hope he gets caught in this firestorm and has his name and reputation totally disgraced.
I hope he gets caught in this firestorm and has his name and reputation totally disgraced.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:56 pm to LSUFreek
I can't see minor league football being much more profitable than minor league baseball, if at all.
I absolutely agree that the popularity of college football would disappear.
I absolutely agree that the popularity of college football would disappear.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:58 pm to FooManChoo
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An "employee's" value is only as much as someone is willing to "pay" him. I might think that I'm worth a hell of a lot more than I'm getting paid for my job, but if no one is willing to pay me what I think I'm owed, I'm not really worth that much
There's the rub.
People ARE willing, but are hamstrung by NCAA rules.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:59 pm to ohiovol
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I can't see minor league football being much more profitable than minor league baseball, if at all.
I absolutely agree that the popularity of college football would disappear.
Is this sentiment common among the sidewalk fan? Does anyone that actually went to their school honestly think that they would stop watching their alma mater in favor of a minor league team?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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All for 40-50k a year?
They get paid in scale accordingly. Not everybody on Auburn's team made Cam Newton money. Stars get paid star money. Scrubs get paid scrub money.
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It is an incredible way for these players to get exposure through the exploitation of the fans dollar through the love of their college.
That and a quarter will get student athletes some bubble gum over the next four years. Might pay dividends later, but they're fricked for now.
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But the value of that block or that catch or that interception isn't derived solely from their play on the field. It is derived from the name on the front of their jersey as well,
That only serves the brain-washed fans. That "value" isn't legal tender at Taco Bell.
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those institutions are colleges that DO give them some amount of value in the form of a free education.
That 90% of the kids would give two shits about if you gave them the option to get paid by the NFL to play football. They are coming to colleges (not by choice, but by lack of options) to learn the football trade but can't practice unless they get good grades in Neo-Sumerian cuneiform writing. It just makes zero sense to tie-in the non-degreed football trade to random educational obligations.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:05 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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There's the rub.
People ARE willing, but are hamstrung by NCAA rules.
They are only willing if it provides them an advantage. So the value of that job is contingent on it theoretically resulting in wins for that team, for the reward of a conference/bowl/natty. Which is why no one cares about a minor league team. The farm system is there to promote the top team, and that team is the one you root for. If it was like the other minor leagues, these high school players wouldn't be recruited, they would be DRAFTED, in which there is no juice and no reason for boosters to throw money at these kids.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The NCAA is regulating the "market" of college athletics like the government regulates the economic markets. They are doing it (supposedly) for the best interests of the students as well as the universities. Therefore, rules and regulations have to be put into place. If the students don't like the rules, they can leave the university system and try their luck making money using their talents elsewhere.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:19 pm to LSUFreek
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They get paid in scale accordingly. Not everybody on Auburn's team made Cam Newton money. Stars get paid star money. Scrubs get paid scrub money.
List out how many minor league teams exist in your ideal scenario, and how many players are on each roster.
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That and a quarter will get student athletes some bubble gum over the next four years. Might pay dividends later, but they're fricked for now.
Why are they fricked? Because a booster can't pay them all the money they want? If you want to open a can of worms of just straight up paying players money, I'd love to open that can of worms and see if Auburn and Alabama ever agree to play each other unless their players are reporting exactly how much they make and refuse to step on the field if it is a penny more than their players. But this will get too hypothetical.
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That only serves the brain-washed fans. That "value" isn't legal tender at Taco Bell.
No. But if the name wasn't on the front of that jersey it would be a LOT less. Minor league players make pennies compared to MLB players(who make FAR more than NFL players). Absolutely nothing. A lot of the times it is far less than the value of a scholarship to LSU. People care about their school. That has value added.
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That 90% of the kids would give two shits about if you gave them the option to get paid by the NFL to play football. They are coming to colleges (not by choice, but by lack of options) to learn the football trade but can't practice unless they get good grades in Neo-Sumerian cuneiform writing. It just makes zero sense to tie-in the non-degreed football trade to random educational obligations.
What? 100% of anyone would take money for doing the same thing. But there in lies the fallacy of your premise. A minor league couldn't come close to emulating the money and interest for watching these players play. They are going to a college because rich fricks have created this monster because THEY went to school there, and THEY want THEIR teams athletes to do well. It might not be ideal and adequate and 100% fun, and these players might have to go through a few classwork exercises in futility, but it is a side effect of the college sport entity. You can't have one without the other, and it is a small price to pay.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Is this sentiment common among the sidewalk fan? Does anyone that actually went to their school honestly think that they would stop watching their alma mater in favor of a minor league team?
People wouldn't start watching the minor league team. They would just focus more on the NFL.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:28 pm to ohiovol
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People wouldn't start watching the minor league team. They would just focus more on the NFL.
I just want people to start to give this a number and start to really think that the competition would just magically disappear.
How many minor league teams do you imagine?
How many players on each roster?
It's the NFL, and parity is going to happen, so these high school prospects WILL be drafted. How many rounds?
Also college recruiting and $100 handshakes and other recruiting cash players gets doesn't magically stop, but you don't get a signing bonus for entering the NFL high school draft...
Colleges will still get talented players even if there was a minor league team. Start to put numbers to it.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
The minor league system is not the "more enjoyable" system, but it is a workable system for closing the immoral gap between the wealth of "non-profit" NCAA fat cats vs dead-broke seat-filling athlete denied any wages for at least the next 3 years. Better hope a coach doesn't get caught giving him a taco. He might get banned and have to train on his own in his Momma's back-yard for the next 3 years.
Whereas, the minor leagues would give them their salary for the sweat off his back, and then the kid could decide if he wants to spend it on a college degree, a new BMW, or a friggin' taco.
This idea that unconditional fan love or an un-requested free education is worthy compensation is CFB-traditionalist propaganda at its best.
Whereas, the minor leagues would give them their salary for the sweat off his back, and then the kid could decide if he wants to spend it on a college degree, a new BMW, or a friggin' taco.
This idea that unconditional fan love or an un-requested free education is worthy compensation is CFB-traditionalist propaganda at its best.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:35 pm to LSUFreek
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The minor league system is not the "more enjoyable" system, but it is a workable system for closing the immoral gap between the wealth of "non-profit" NCAA fat cats vs dead-broke seat-filling athlete denied any wages for at least the next 3 years. Better hope a coach doesn't get caught giving him a taco. He might get banned and have to train on his own in his Momma's back-yard for the next 3 years.
Let's start to put numbers to this. How many teams, how many players on the roster, how many rounds in the NFL high school draft?
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