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Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:21 pm to Rebman
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Are there any non-OM fans that will admit that after 4 years investigating, there is no evidence that we paid all these bags of money to get players?
I mean, absent one of the most prominent players in your history admitting to it on live TV or something similarly inconceivable, what type of evidence would you look for?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:24 pm to lsufball19
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What UNC did doesn't make what Ole Miss did ok
I never said it was. It was declaritively wrong. Which is why we fired the guy. As opposed to what UNC did.
The OP made a comparative statement. "The lowest of the low". Thus, comparing our mistakes to other mistakes. That's what I responded to.
I understand you're behind. So I'm happy to catch you up.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:25 pm to Pettifogger
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I mean, absent one of the most prominent players in your history admitting to it on live TV or something similarly inconceivable, what type of evidence would you look for?
A video of Freeze and Bjork handing bags of cash and spice to Tunsil/Treadwell/Nkemdickface (sp?) while stroking their imaginary beards and laughing like villains in a Disney movie.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:29 pm to Pettifogger
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I mean, absent one of the most prominent players in your history admitting to it on live TV or something similarly inconceivable, what type of evidence would you look for?
If the $200 monthly payments to Tunsil weren't allowable under NCAA rules (and that's a big "if"), but presuming that big "if" to be true:
It would have amounted to about $6000 ($200 a month for 30 months)!
Now if that is what you are implying amounts to "bags of money", then we just have a huge difference of opinion.
And still a big "if" by the way!
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:34 pm to No Colors
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A member of the staff -- not even an assistant coach -- who was here for less than a year, under a different staff, engaged in academic impropriety (not rising to the level of academic fraud)
from ESPN:
• Former assistant coach David Saunders arranged for fraudulent ACT scores for three prospects in the summer of 2010. Saunders and former Ole Miss assistant Chris Vaughn were also accused of unethical conduct related to the testing fraud, and they are accused of providing temporary lodging, meals and entertainment for recruits in June and July 2010. In its response, Ole Miss officials agreed that the testing fraud occurred.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:34 pm to Rebman
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Are there any non-OM fans that will admit that after 4 years investigating, there is no evidence that we paid all these bags of money to get players?
Everyone knows that probably a lot more than the 15K was paid.. The NCAA also.. But they have proof of that, and it is all they need to administer harsh penalties. 13 level 1 infractions. Spin it as you will, it is bad.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:39 pm to JesusQuintana
I wasn't around here then, but it goes without saying any Reb fan who have Auburn hell about $cam needs to be scarce right about now.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:46 pm to r2d2
Definition of "harsh penalties"
If you mean that losing 10-15 schollies is "harsh penalties" as compared to us not having to lose 10-15 schollies, I would agree.
I would certainly rather not lose the schollies and it will unquestionably make it slightly more difficult for us to continue recruiting top-10 classes for the next few years.... Slightly.
However, if you mean that we are going to be getting any "harsh penalties" that will decimate the rise that our program is currently on, then I would disagree and so would any other rational person.
If you mean that losing 10-15 schollies is "harsh penalties" as compared to us not having to lose 10-15 schollies, I would agree.
I would certainly rather not lose the schollies and it will unquestionably make it slightly more difficult for us to continue recruiting top-10 classes for the next few years.... Slightly.
However, if you mean that we are going to be getting any "harsh penalties" that will decimate the rise that our program is currently on, then I would disagree and so would any other rational person.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:46 pm to Rebman
But there is no if. The NCAA does not allow for funds to pay players mothers light bills. No matter what obscure fund you'd like to cite.
This was a system of cheating setup within the football program ran by AD employees. That's bad, REAL bad. Lack of institutional control bad.
And again, this is only what can be proven and has been admitted to at this time. It would be incredibly naive to believe that is all he got and he was the only one getting it. Even if we assume that's all that will be unearthed, it's heavy sanctions above and beyond the already self imposed stuff that likely won't be upheld anyway.
It's probably going to bury yall for a decade or more.
AND, to top all of this off...the point that many here miss is that the rampant cheating that got you to this point will now cease. So even if you would avoid the sanctions which you haven't and won't the days of top 10 classes are over.
Dark days in Oxford, I'm afraid
This was a system of cheating setup within the football program ran by AD employees. That's bad, REAL bad. Lack of institutional control bad.
And again, this is only what can be proven and has been admitted to at this time. It would be incredibly naive to believe that is all he got and he was the only one getting it. Even if we assume that's all that will be unearthed, it's heavy sanctions above and beyond the already self imposed stuff that likely won't be upheld anyway.
It's probably going to bury yall for a decade or more.
AND, to top all of this off...the point that many here miss is that the rampant cheating that got you to this point will now cease. So even if you would avoid the sanctions which you haven't and won't the days of top 10 classes are over.
Dark days in Oxford, I'm afraid
Posted on 5/27/16 at 6:57 pm to CowTownReb
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The reality is: In terms of football, schools like Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, (and yes, Mizzou -- and maybe even A&M and Arkansas), exist to prop up the perennial powers.
Imperialism, ftw.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:02 pm to shutterspeed
No, the reality is the perennial powers were cheating at a much earlier time when it was infinitely easier to sweep it under the rug, and after decades of being established winners and building tradition it's a hell of a lot easier to recruit the best players there without having to cheat, so when someone like an Ole Miss suddenly starts winning it raises red flags immediately making it damn near impossible for any of us historically shite programs to ever get to the top of the mountain doing things by the rules.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:03 pm to UKWildcats
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making it damn near impossible for any of us historically shite programs to ever get to the top of the mountain doing things by the rules.
Like I said... imperialism, ftw.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:12 pm to Cdawg
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fraudulent ACT scores
The OP said we "changed grades" . Not the same thing.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:14 pm to JesusQuintana
I disagree, but we will know very soon.
Just ask yourself why that AD hasn't been fired? Then assuming there are at least some reasonably intelligent people in charge who are trying to minimize the damage to the school, I think it will become painfully obvious to you that we aren't talking about the flagrant violation that you are wishing so fervently for. Sorry to disappoint, but if you really think through what I just said, you will realize that it isn't going to be what you are hoping it will be.
Just ask yourself why that AD hasn't been fired? Then assuming there are at least some reasonably intelligent people in charge who are trying to minimize the damage to the school, I think it will become painfully obvious to you that we aren't talking about the flagrant violation that you are wishing so fervently for. Sorry to disappoint, but if you really think through what I just said, you will realize that it isn't going to be what you are hoping it will be.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:26 pm to Rebman
quote:But a family that couldn't pay a $305 electric bill could move a few states over, pay a deposit on a rental home BEFORE he was dominating All SEC DL, right? It's also a well known fact that most kids from Chicagoland dream of going to school in Oxford, Mississippi with no inducements too, right?
If the $200 monthly payments to Tunsil weren't allowable under NCAA rules (and that's a big "if"), but presuming that big "if" to be true: It would have amounted to about $6000 ($200 a month for 30 months)! Now if that is what you are implying amounts to "bags of money", then we just have a huge difference of opinion. And still a big "if" by the way!
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:29 pm to Rebman
Listen man, if you can't see that a monthly cash payment made to a player from AD employees is a very bad thing for OM then I can't help.
I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand.
I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:32 pm to Rebman
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yourself why that AD hasn't been fired?
What do you think this proves? Kiffing hasn't been fired either.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:33 pm to Rebman
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If you mean that losing 10-15 schollies is "harsh penalties" as compared to us not having to lose 10-15 schollies, I would agree.
I would certainly rather not lose the schollies and it will unquestionably make it slightly more difficult for us to continue recruiting top-10 classes for the next few years.... Slightly.
And this is what denial looks like.
If you don't think losing 2-3 scholarships per season for multiple seasons is going to hurt or will only "slightly" hurt, I don't know what to tell you. LSU lost two scholarships per year for two years starting in 2011...we had some depth issues following those years. USC is still trying to recover from their harsh sanctions and loss of scholarships.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:34 pm to JesusQuintana
Nope.
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