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Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:29 am to WDE24
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You realize you are responding to a quote from an OM fan, right?
I sure do. That's why my first comment was directed at an ole miss fan that I quoted. Then I spaced down and talked to Auburn fans. You are slow.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:30 am to diddydirtyAubie
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You suck arse CoonassDog...You keep posting all this BS about radio stations around the state saying this and that and they always end up being a dud.
He just posted what is out there.
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Radio host Scott Moore of WZZN-FM 97.7 in Huntsville, Alabama will be making the rounds today. That’s because yesterday he revealed that he has heard Kenny Rogers’ audio tapes regarding Cam Newton’s recruitment.
“There are tapes. There is some very incriminating, damning things on those tapes.”
Moore also said there are text messages that Rogers has kept that also shine a bad light on two programs in particular — Auburn and Tennessee.
“The bottom line is these numbers that we keep hearing about — this $150,000 offer from Tennessee, this $180,000 from Auburn — those came from Cecil Newton (to Rogers on the tapes). They didn’t come from Auburn or Tennessee, they came from Cecil Newton. He’s the one that said these offers were made to him.”
Moore said that he never heard anything on the tapes “that would implicate Mississippi State.”
“What I’ve heard is offers… (Newton) saying on these tapes that these offers were from Tennessee for $150,000 and a $180,000 offer from Auburn. I heard him say that, I’ve seen the text messages. And they exist, that’s the bottom line.”
Interestingly, Moore said there are “several tapes” from “several different people.”
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Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:31 am to Tds & Beer
quote:OK speedy, which AU fans was it directed at. It didn't seem to fit any o fthe comments in this thread.
I sure do. That's why my first comment was directed at an ole miss fan that I quoted. Then I spaced down and talked to Auburn fans. You are slow.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:32 am to Alahunter
quote:No he didn't. He then defended it with many ignorant statements.
He just posted what is out there.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:34 am to NukemVol
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This doesn't make sense to me because Tennessee was never really after Cam all that strong (never visited us, wasn't ever really on his list, didn't have the offense). We were after Scroggins, Sims, Brunetti, Heaps, Hendrix, Rettig, Montana, etc.. but never really Cam. Did we offer all them money as well?
I can almost promise you that you as a UT fan have nothing to worry about. Cecil was absolutely lying when he told MSU that UT had offered money. He was simply trying to convince MSU to match a nonexistent offer. MSU officials knew about these lies before Newton committed to AU. I have a very solid source when it comes to MSU's involvement up until when they stopped recruiting Newton.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:34 am to wahoocs
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Bo Jackson talked in the third person
There was a legimate reason for this. Do you have an open mind enough to want to know what it is?
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:35 am to auburntiger77
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you only vacate games if you knowingly play an ineligible player
Wishful thinking, my friend.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:38 am to WDE24
IMO, Moore is pretty brazen to bring this fire out in the open. The article said, "he's making his rounds"....
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:38 am to BenHOGan
I applaud you for a very well thought out and logical post on this subject. It makes perfect sense and is very in line with the way the NCAA has worked in the past with cases. Good Post! 
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I got no dog in this fight. Don't really care at this point what happens to Aub, MSU, or Cam. But let's just think of some possibilities here.
Is it not plausible to think that perhaps the NCAA was strictly covering their own asses with this move? The logic would be that, even though they appear to have a "smoking gun," this case is so high profile that they would prefer to take time to investigate ALL leads and gather as much evidence and info as possible before making a final determination of eligibility. The logic would appear to be that if you rule him ineligible and he somehow turns out to be innocent, then you can't really give him back those games he lost. However, if you let him continue to play and he turns out to be guilty later, you can strip him and his team of anything they may have won with him there.
To me, that seems to be a plausible explanation for why the NCAA might go ahead and allow a person to remain eligible, even when they have information that may eventually convict the person of wrongdoing.
I think most people who are not absolute die-hard Auburn fans feel like, given the fact that Cam and his dad appear to be very close, and the fact that his dad was openly shopping him is not in dispute, the only real conclusion a logical person can draw is that Cam was in on the bit all along. Cam has a track record of deceit and dishonesty, and there's no reason to believe he is just very comfortable denying his role in this, so long as it keeps him on the field and progressing toward a huge payday in the NFL. What ever is left in his wake at Auburn is really of no consequence to him now. He's used Auburn to get him what he needs, and he's moved on.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:40 am to Monticello
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I have a very solid source when it comes to MSU's involvement up until when they stopped recruiting Newton.
Oh, geez. Here we go. Somebody has a "source."
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:40 am to Teague
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you only vacate games if you knowingly play an ineligible player
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Wishful thinking, my friend.
Amen! And a Bama fan knows how the 'AA deals with this shite.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:41 am to Tds & Beer
I doubt Bond withheld any tapes of Cecil. He probably did play a tape of Cecil saying Cam was in the room for the NCAA. Since the NCAA said Cam not knowing what part of how they reached their decision maybe that upset him.
What I think he fails to realize is the big picture and what exactly was involved as I pointed out previously. Like I said earlier a good lawyer would argue Cecil may have said Cam was in the room, but how long was he in the room, and how involved was he in the discussion. If his actual voice doesn't appear on the tape discussing money or any knowledge of the plan, Cecil simply saying he is in the room means very little.
What I think he fails to realize is the big picture and what exactly was involved as I pointed out previously. Like I said earlier a good lawyer would argue Cecil may have said Cam was in the room, but how long was he in the room, and how involved was he in the discussion. If his actual voice doesn't appear on the tape discussing money or any knowledge of the plan, Cecil simply saying he is in the room means very little.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:41 am to WDE24
Its really sad how barners try to convince themselves that all is well.
Strictly from an outside perspective, it seems that the cam newton stuff is just a side note. Sure, hes a typical dumbass kid with a peice of garbage father who shops his son like a slave and hides behind religion. Basically the sterotypical crooked pastor or whatever.
But correct me if im wrong here, but isnt pretty much all of auburns BOT got the feds crawling up their arse? Espescially from colonial bank?
Bank goes under? Feds come in?.....is that about right?
No way in hell that an ONGOING federal investigation into all these dudes who HAPPEN to be running the show at the barn is not gonna show a "paper trail" pertaining to "slush funds".
And when all this is tied to a bank that has gone under? The NCAA will be the last to get any evidence or info, because the same practices that put money in those players hands and their daddies are also considered things like money laundering, embezzlement etc etc. Ya know, "white collar crime"
To sum up my long arse post......the feds dont frick around. They do what they want, when they want and the barns BOT has the feds up their arse. The cam newton thing is NOTHING.
The SEC, NCAA, and whoever else you want to throw in those categories just wishes it would have went away.
Dont get me wrong though. All schools pay players. Its just that auburn is "all in" with their BS. Its quite pathetic actually. An obvious panic move due to SABAN. Its more pathetic to see a barner actually believe that auburn isnt this stupid. History proves otherwise.
Theres a difference between following the rules and respecting the rules. Once the feds start following the money then why not go "all in"
Strictly from an outside perspective, it seems that the cam newton stuff is just a side note. Sure, hes a typical dumbass kid with a peice of garbage father who shops his son like a slave and hides behind religion. Basically the sterotypical crooked pastor or whatever.
But correct me if im wrong here, but isnt pretty much all of auburns BOT got the feds crawling up their arse? Espescially from colonial bank?
Bank goes under? Feds come in?.....is that about right?
No way in hell that an ONGOING federal investigation into all these dudes who HAPPEN to be running the show at the barn is not gonna show a "paper trail" pertaining to "slush funds".
And when all this is tied to a bank that has gone under? The NCAA will be the last to get any evidence or info, because the same practices that put money in those players hands and their daddies are also considered things like money laundering, embezzlement etc etc. Ya know, "white collar crime"
To sum up my long arse post......the feds dont frick around. They do what they want, when they want and the barns BOT has the feds up their arse. The cam newton thing is NOTHING.
The SEC, NCAA, and whoever else you want to throw in those categories just wishes it would have went away.
Dont get me wrong though. All schools pay players. Its just that auburn is "all in" with their BS. Its quite pathetic actually. An obvious panic move due to SABAN. Its more pathetic to see a barner actually believe that auburn isnt this stupid. History proves otherwise.
Theres a difference between following the rules and respecting the rules. Once the feds start following the money then why not go "all in"
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:42 am to BenHOGan
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My favorite part of this whole thing is the Auburn folks' selective belief of internet stories. Aub fans are very quick to dismiss anything that is reported on blogs and/or message boards that points to Newton's or Aub's guilt as silly, baseless rumors that only an idiot would believe. However, when they need to drag MSU through the mud, then those internet/blog/message board rumors suddenly have a great deal of credibility.
Ahhhh, the neverending entertainment of SEC Football Offseason in the Age of the Blogosphere.
Hell of a post.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:43 am to The ChizMan Cometh
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For the sake of argument let's assume Cam knew what his father was doing at MSU. Let's also assume that AU offered him nothing
why would we wanna assume these two things. They don't match.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:44 am to Monticello
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You are going to be sadly disappointed. Whether Auburn paid or not will be the critical issue as to whether Auburn is hit with major sanctions. However, if Cam knew his father was trying to shop him, he was ineligible from that point forward. 0-14, banners down, open and shut case. And Auburn can't claim they had never heard anything about Cecil seeking money because they decided to play Cam for several games after these allegations were made public.
So lets assume CAM knew (I do not think the tapes show that), so according to you, he NCAA will conduct an investigation of Auburn and say, even though you had ZERO way of knowing, even though we the NCAA did not know, The SEC office did not know, only MSU boosters knew, so you have to vacate your games... Is that it??? Do you really believe it??? As far as the textbooks, they did get their eligiblity back and DID play against Auburn, the difference is that ALABAMA should have known their were ineligible because ALABAMA gave them extra benefits... You have to find Auburn guilty of something to invoke penalties,,,, So Auburn is going to get probation for what happened at MSU... WOW, just WOW... Haven't we covered all this before..
You guys have a BAMMER homer on the radio, we have the NCAA and SEC agreeing with Auburn
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:45 am to Tds & Beer
it was a good post - but not all of us are dismissing anything - a lot of us are taking the wait and see approach to all of this.
a bunch of us have said all along if it is proven that AU is guilty, then whatever penalty we get is rightfully deserved. we aren't dismissing it - were just not allowing ourselevse to have kneejerk reactions either way.
as I said that for some of us.
a bunch of us have said all along if it is proven that AU is guilty, then whatever penalty we get is rightfully deserved. we aren't dismissing it - were just not allowing ourselevse to have kneejerk reactions either way.
as I said that for some of us.
This post was edited on 2/25/11 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:46 am to The ChizMan Cometh
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I doubt Bond withheld any tapes of Cecil. He probably did play a tape of Cecil saying Cam was in the room for the NCAA. Since the NCAA said Cam not knowing what part of how they reached their decision maybe that upset him.
What I think he fails to realize is the big picture and what exactly was involved as I pointed out previously. Like I said earlier a good lawyer would argue Cecil may have said Cam was in the room, but how long was he in the room, and how involved was he in the discussion. If his actual voice doesn't appear on the tape discussing money or any knowledge of the plan, Cecil simply saying he is in the room means very little.
That would be dependent on what Cecil or Auburn or Cam told the NCAA. As someone else stated earlier, Cam doesn't exactly have a good history of being truthful or honest. Cecil admittedly lied in the beginning and Auburn may come out looking as though they didn't do their due diligence in checking things out as they said they did when presented with the information. This isn't going to be resolved anytime soon, and will probably drag out over the summer and into next season.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:46 am to auburntiger77
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Ok let's assume the tapes are 100 percent legit. They do not prove Auburn paid money, so the records stand
they can prove that cam new he was being shopped and that fo sho will change the records.
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They would not show that Auburn knew that MSU was dirty, so again the records stand
WTF
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you only vacate games if you knowingly play an ineligible player,
wrong
This post was edited on 2/25/11 at 12:20 pm
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