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re: Anyone else see LSU and A&M becoming huge rivals?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:43 pm to Vanilla Coke
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:43 pm to Vanilla Coke
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The aggies I know don't talk to longhorns. I'm going to report you. That must be in the aggie code of honor somewhere...
You would think so. But we don't really care about that code SOOOOOO.....
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:43 pm to cardboardboxer
How much influence do they have politically now? I thought the only reason Texas got boned when the SWC fell out was because a Baylor alum was the governor.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:47 pm to lsutothetop
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I thought the only reason Texas got boned when the SWC fell out was because a Baylor alum was the governor.
At that time, the most powerful man in the state of Texas was Bob Bullock, the Lieutenant Governor and longtime Texas Democrat who held degrees from both Baylor and Texas Tech.
Ann Richards, the Governor, was a Baylor graduate, and the head of the Texas House was a Texas Tech graduate.
Think about it this way: George W. Bush was basically anointed Governor by Bullock because he was sick and tired of Ann Richards' bullshite. As soon as Bullock, a Democrat, turned against her, she was finished.
When Bullock had to retire before the 1998 election (and died shortly thereafter) that opened the door for a fairly vicious contest for Lieutenant Governor between former A&M roommates and classmates Rick Perry (R) and John Sharp (D).
The former is about to end his third and final term as governor and the latter is the chancellor of the A&M system.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:50 pm to lsutothetop
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How much influence do they have politically now? I thought the only reason Texas got boned when the SWC fell out was because a Baylor alum was the governor.
A pretty good bit.
Tech did its best to infiltrate as much as it could in the state capital. They pretty much own a region of Texas. Its a shitty region, but its enough to declare solid representation.
Meanwhile Baylor is all lawyered up- the president is one of the most famous in modern political history. They saw that might be their only chance down the road. TCU has lots of oil money, enough to keep the lawsuits going for as long as needed.
Together they have enough power that they almost locked us in if Texas didn't push us out. If the table turned there is no fricking way we would throw them the life preserver- we would use our political muscle (which includes the guy who picks their BOR) to keep them stuck in the shitty conference with the kids.
It will be a big deal if Texas could get away without any dependants. That is why the PAC is more likely- bring one or two along.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:58 pm to cardboardboxer
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Together they have enough power that they almost locked us in if Texas didn't push us out.
Don't forget the fact that the Texas Legislature was in recess. There's no way we would have been able to do this in 2012.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The UT president at the time, William Cunningham, disputes that Richards and Bullock put pressure on anyone.
I'll take his viewpoint over people commenting on here who were teenagers (or younger) at the time of the Big 12's formation.
Q&A: Former UT System Chancellor William Cunningham talks money, power and politics
I'll take his viewpoint over people commenting on here who were teenagers (or younger) at the time of the Big 12's formation.
Q&A: Former UT System Chancellor William Cunningham talks money, power and politics
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There has been great mystery about why Baylor and Texas Tech were selected to join Texas A&M and UT in the creation of the Big 12. Speculation was that Gov. Ann Richards and Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock forced their selection, but you say that was not true. What did happen?
I never heard from Richards on this subject. She may have talked with some of our regents or officials at other universities, but she never contacted me, and no one ever told me that Richards was interested in the Big 12.
Bullock did convene a meeting to discuss realignment with officials from UT and A&M. Bullock’s major concern was that A&M might be moving to the SEC and thereby would diminish the new Big 12. I made it very clear that UT favored A&M, Baylor and Tech joining the Big 12, along with UT. I supported these schools joining the Big 12 because they had a record of good attendance at athletic events and were of high academic quality.
There is no question in my mind that Baylor was admitted to the Big 12 based on its own qualifications, not on political intervention. With regard to this issue, Bullock was as light-handed with me as I had ever seen him, and when Bullock really wanted something to happen, he was anything but light-handed.
You also write that UT first was asked to join the SEC back in 1989. You decided that UT wouldn’t depart the SWC without Texas A&M leaving with you. You say that you and the then-A&M president realized your schools “were joined at the hip.” Do the schools see it that way now?
UT and A&M have gone their separate ways with regard to athletics. However, they still collaborate on numerous academic and research endeavors, share a common mission within higher education, are both of vital importance to the state of Texas, and have many additional interests in common.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:29 pm to texashorn
And I will take RC Slocum's word over some ancient article that is contradicted by other articles from that period.
RC told me point blank he was lining up a SEC move when Bullock stepped in.
EDIT: And RC made it clear to me that Bullock did it under the table with lots of leverage, so its not surprising there wasn't anyone back then willing to go on the record and point the finger at him.
RC told me point blank he was lining up a SEC move when Bullock stepped in.
EDIT: And RC made it clear to me that Bullock did it under the table with lots of leverage, so its not surprising there wasn't anyone back then willing to go on the record and point the finger at him.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 5:33 pm to texashorn
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There is no question in my mind that Baylor was admitted to the Big 12 based on its own qualifications
That sentence right there is why the entire excerpt you posted is complete bullshite.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:02 pm to mizzoukills
Beautiful. Thank you very much. 
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:07 pm to Vanilla Coke
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Thisthread may be relevant if aggy ever wins a game against LSU
Not trying to offend ole miss, tulane, or state, but come on. If anyone has a chance to sustain a true rivalry, its A&M.
The gulfwar will be fun to watch every year. Maybe they will change it to the last game of the season.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:13 pm to LukeSidewalker
LSU and A&M will be the last regular season game for both teams. Yes this will be a BIG game.
When played in College Station it will be on Thanksgiving.
When played in College Station it will be on Thanksgiving.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:28 pm to Maroon Flash
Nice. One more great game to look foward to on the final week.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:49 pm to KaiserSoze99
mk little brother.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:51 pm to cardboardboxer
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Baylor, TCU and Tech will fight with every bit of influence they have to stay attached to Texas.
Unless you know of some huge plan in Texas politics I don't to disenfranchise those groups.
And....
...guess who else will join with our fellow Texans in preventing the longhorns from leaving the big 12.
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mugshot
It really is amazing how bad we fricked those arrogant dongmunchers to the point of no possible return.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:53 pm to KaiserSoze99
Kaiser, I have a feeling that Perry won't have much authority in that regard after January 2015 as he will no longer be governor
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:54 pm to KaiserSoze99
If we wanted to dip out of the Big 12 we could. Texas could have gone to the PAC 12 a few years ago. And the SEC would much rather have us than you guys.
The only way the SEC would ever expand to 16 teams is if they brought in programs that would bring in a lot more revenue than they would take from the pot. Oklahoma and Texas are two such schools.
The only way the SEC would ever expand to 16 teams is if they brought in programs that would bring in a lot more revenue than they would take from the pot. Oklahoma and Texas are two such schools.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:55 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Perry won't have much authority in that regard after January 2015 as he will no longer be governor
ETA - Dodds is gone too. Hopefully the Lone Star Showdown can resume sooner than later so we can go back to whoopin dat arse
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:55 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Yeah and that is scary. Do not want as TAMU president.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:59 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
He will still be a HUGE plater.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 7:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
We're not hiring a non-academic to be our president. You should really worry about him becoming our new chancellor. THAT is a much more legitimate concern.
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