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re: Analytics guru says Mac Jones should stay in college another year
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:14 am to Tigerpride18
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:14 am to Tigerpride18
He was there but didnt play. He was dressed out though. I guess you dont have to be a senior hes a redshirt junior
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:19 am to Tigerpride18
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He was there but didnt play. He was dressed out though. I guess you dont have to be a senior hes a redshirt junior
"A player must declare early for the NFL draft, be graduated by December, be with a program for four years and have the blessing of his college coach."
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:27 am to Jack Ruby
Not sure he'd ever replicate 41 tds, 4ints, 77% completion percentage, and 4500 yards. Especially after losing so much of the supporting cast and Sark
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:28 am to bamameister
There is no point at all for Mac Jones to come back. The skill mix on offense would suggest that the offense is likely to be more run-heavy than it has been the prior 3 seasons. Few things are certain but a QB not helping his draft stock with handoffs is one of them.
At this point, he is a fully-formed product at QB. I don't see how he could get any better in the college game. He can make all the throws. He can change trajectory and velocity as required by the route and defense. He can execute traditional back-to-the-defense play actions and still process the look post-snap to avoid bad interceptions. He's got fantastic pocket awareness and footwork to extend for a throw.
He may or may not be a good NFL quarterback. Anyone who says they know one way or another is fully of shite. But he's not really got anything to work on in the college game that would make him a better prospect.
At this point, he is a fully-formed product at QB. I don't see how he could get any better in the college game. He can make all the throws. He can change trajectory and velocity as required by the route and defense. He can execute traditional back-to-the-defense play actions and still process the look post-snap to avoid bad interceptions. He's got fantastic pocket awareness and footwork to extend for a throw.
He may or may not be a good NFL quarterback. Anyone who says they know one way or another is fully of shite. But he's not really got anything to work on in the college game that would make him a better prospect.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:31 am to Bigbens42
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4th year juniors are generally eligible.
I mean, he already had a bachelors and masters degree...and yes by normal classification his class cohort are seniors now. The Senior Bowl really should help themselves out and open up the Senior bowl to 3rd year players w/ degrees. It wouldn't get every draft declaring junior in their game but it would at least get some of the high speeds more time with NFL coaches.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:46 am to Jack Ruby
He'll be paid handsomely to hold a clipboard for years.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:58 am to lsusteve1
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He'll be paid handsomely to hold a clipboard for years.
That's the good life. AJ McCarron has been on that hustle for years and will actually be able to remember the names of all the kids he has with hotwife.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:14 am to kajunman
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Mac is better than Fields. Whoever takes Fields in the top 10 will be disappointed. He's also better than Wilson and Lance.
Call the GMs with this hot take.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:20 am to Tigerpride18
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watched and didnt see him. Didnt know he was a senior,didnt know that it's possible to come back if you are in the SENIOR bowl . I guess hes a redshirt
Covid season. Everyone gets another year if they want it.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:21 am to Tigerpride18
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was there but didnt play. He was dressed out though. I guess you dont have to be a senior hes a redshirt junior
Think he picked up an ankle injury.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:32 am to RiseUpATL
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This is a pretty loaded QB class. Next year is looking pretty weak. Jones would have a shot at being top 3 QB next year without TLaw, Fields and Wilson/Lance to deal with.
Your point is valid but Devonta, Najee, and Sark will be gone and Mac put up historically great numbers last year. There's a very good chance that Mac won't be able to replicate his performance from last season and sink his draft value.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:20 am to BIGJLAW
I will readily admit professional clipboard holders in the NFL make more than me, which is why I find it so odd that bammernecks get so sensitive and offended when someone points out that a bammerneck qb is destined to be a professional clipboard holder.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:22 am to Bench McElroy
There are some NFL GMs that really believe in the number of starts you have in college correlates success in college. Guys like Leinart are reason why.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:49 am to Jack Ruby
Jones should stay at Alabama as long as possible, his entire life if he can. Because he's going nowhere in the NFL.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:55 am to Jack Ruby
That's a pretty good hit rate.
Be careful though. The Gumps who claim Jones is the next Brady and worth a top-5 pick are gonna come after you. I am proof of that, LOL.
Mac isn't a Day 1 pick IMO. Barely Day 2.
Be careful though. The Gumps who claim Jones is the next Brady and worth a top-5 pick are gonna come after you. I am proof of that, LOL.
Mac isn't a Day 1 pick IMO. Barely Day 2.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:56 am to SteveLSU35
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There are some NFL GMs that really believe in the number of starts you have in college correlates success in college. Guys like Leinart are reason why.
I assume you meant "success in pros"
Yeah, the number of starts metric was always held in high regard by people from the Parcells coaching tree. Folks have started going against that prevailing wisdom because the true junior declaration is far more common now than when Parcells was getting started with the Giants.
A lot of the wisdom in evaluating a QB in the draft process is flimsy...especially over the last decade the certainty people have had with certain QBs being good or bad has often been hilariously wrong.
My hot take is that the success of a drafted QB is mostly about the environment he enters. Hebert has been wildly successful but the core skill on the Chargers offense was much better than most rookie QBs enjoy. He struck me as a high bust potential quarterback but in the early days he's flourishing.
Some QBs fail because they're like Ryan Leaf or Johnny Manziel and have problems between the ears. Most fail because the team they're on is dogshit and the reason they arrived there was because the people managing it can only manage to make something dogshit. I think less fail due to a lack of NFL-level skill than you'd think...but this is just my hot take, I've got no metrics for you.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:57 am to Jack Ruby
I think both will not make it at the next level. The game has change to the point you have to use your feet even at the QB Position. Plus both had the luxury of OL that gave them time to find open receivers. Both had issues when pressured.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:58 am to kajunman
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Mac is better than Fields.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:59 am to SteveLSU35
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There are some NFL GMs that really believe in the number of starts you have in college correlates success in college. Guys like Leinart are reason why.
And Trubisky. Only 13 starts in college.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:01 am to SteelerBravesDawg
To be fair, FIelds is a very suspect thrower over the middle of the field to receivers moving across the formation and he's got a bad habit of not taking velocity off the ball when the situation demands it.
Mac Jones has shown himself to be much better in both those respects. Fields can probably throw it 80 yards flat on his arse and right in the receiver's hands but he's got more technical problems than Mac Jones as a thrower.
He can run around and throw it a mile though so someone will just do what Daboll did with Josh Allen I imagine.
Mac Jones has shown himself to be much better in both those respects. Fields can probably throw it 80 yards flat on his arse and right in the receiver's hands but he's got more technical problems than Mac Jones as a thrower.
He can run around and throw it a mile though so someone will just do what Daboll did with Josh Allen I imagine.
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