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re: Alabama retakes the #1 spot from Texas A&M in the 247 Sports 2022 recruiting rankings
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:21 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:21 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!
yep, and all those national titles are a part of it!
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:21 pm to msutiger
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Rivals manipulates their rankings to draw audience. You are only fooling yourself if you think their rankings mean anything.
Rivals has openly said in the past that:
1) They give more precedence to kids that participate in Rivals camps and games. I suppose that kinda makes sense from a business perspective, but it shouldn't really matter when it comes to the actual matter at hand which is ranking recruits.
2) They set 5* based on the number of 1st round NFL draft picks. Notice how there's exactly 32 five stars? They also model their picks based on draft results (sorta), so as a prime example, RBs aren't nearly the premium in the NFL Draft 1st round they used to be so Rivals only has 1 RB ranked as a 5*
neither of those things shoudl matter one iota.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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2) They set 5* based on the number of 1st round NFL draft picks. Notice how there's exactly 32 five stars? They also model their picks based on draft results (sorta), so as a prime example, RBs aren't nearly the premium in the NFL Draft 1st round they used to be so Rivals only has 1 RB ranked as a 5*
247 does this as well
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:28 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Why would we melt? We took ONE incoming transfer. Alabama took 3.
Because Alabama only took in 24 kids from high school vs the A&M 27, while Alabama had a much higher average.
I don't really get into all this recruiting stuff but after the way your fan base acted after ESD, this kind of stuff is funny.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:30 pm to 3down10
Oh know Aggies losing the recruiting national championship because of the gump bump?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:32 pm to Mulkey Man
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The Gump Bump is real.
Yes it is. It's almost like Alabama is pretty good at player evaluations. Maybe even a little better sometimes than some former high school players turned data analysts running a website.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:32 pm to WG_Dawg
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2) They set 5* based on the number of 1st round NFL draft picks. Notice how there's exactly 32 five stars? They also model their picks based on draft results (sorta), so as a prime example, RBs aren't nearly the premium in the NFL Draft 1st round they used to be so Rivals only has 1 RB ranked as a 5*
Honestly what this really shows is that the 5*, 4* and show on doesn't really tell the story, what actually matters is the little scores.
The 32nd 5 star can have a rating of say .92 or whatever numbers they use, while the 1st 4 star will have a .91.
Yet some people think there is this big difference in classes because 1 team got the 5 star and 1 got the 4 star. In truth, 1 team got the 32nd ranked player and the other team got the 33rd.
That's why people who have been around awhile know to look at the average for real recruiting strength.
Funny enough people also do it with ranked teams. As if there is this giant gap between the 25th ranked team and the 26th.
Always look at the raw scores.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:34 pm to RollTide1987
quote:For crying out loud MAN, why did you do this? Can't we ignore this and give aTm a fricking bone for a change?
RollTide1987
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:41 pm to RollTide1987
And FSU's dream class is now 14th.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:44 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Until 247 removes Rivals' rankings from their composite like they did with Scout, which relegated them to the dumpster, it matters.
247 didn't remove Scout's rankings from the Composite.
The bought the entire Scout network and integrated their evaluators into the 247 team.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:48 pm to elposter
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Yes it is. It's almost like Alabama is pretty good at player evaluations.
Or its more like Bama boosters pay 247 money to change their ratings to make it so that all the 5* go to Alabama to help with recruiting.
Poof positive the * system does not mean anything. This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:49 pm to Windy City
quote:So you're an analyst? Please explain how counting departing transfers would have any impact on the 2022 recruiting class.
I have never thought of it that way. Maybe but the actual "recruiting rankings" each year tend to be just the kids inking scholarships.
I suppose with the portal trending the way it is, transfers should be counted as well as transfers out to gauge some actual increase in talent.
As you can tell, I work a lot in data analytics and this stuff probably means more to me than most others.
This ranking does not represent complete roster talent for a program it ranks the current class, right?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 2:55 pm to FreddieMac
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Or its more like Bama boosters pay 247 money to change their ratings to make it so that all the 5* go to Alabama to help with recruiting. Poof positive the * system does not mean anything.
Interesting theory. So Alabama is winning all of these championships with a lot less talent than we were led to believe?
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:00 pm to RollTide1987
Looking at the recruit level rankings, which just tallies high school additions, Alabama remains at No. 2 in the nation, just behind Texas A&M.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:05 pm to FreddieMac
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Or its more like Bama boosters pay 247 money to change their ratings to make it so that all the 5* go to Alabama to help with recruiting. Poof positive the * system does not mean anything.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:07 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:12 pm to FreddieMac
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Yes it is. It's almost like Alabama is pretty good at player evaluations.
quote:Hells Bells, Coach Saban is a better X's & O's coach than anyone thought. He has trophy cases full of hardware and has won at an unprecedented clip for many years with less talent than the recruiting services have claimed.
Or its more like Bama boosters pay 247 money to change their ratings to make it so that all the 5* go to Alabama to help with recruiting. Poof positive the * system does not mean anything.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:15 pm to elposter
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The Gump Bump is real.
It is actually the Saban bump. If Bama gets a recruit, they figure Saban sees more in the recruit than they originally thought was there; thus, bump the rating up a little (or a lot).
Now you know the rest of the story.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:19 pm to bayou85
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LSU fans were constantly told that the Bama Bump wasn't real.
I think the product on the field proved that.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:20 pm to RT1941
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So you're an analyst? Please explain how counting departing transfers would have any impact on the 2022 recruiting class.
This ranking does not represent complete roster talent for a program it ranks the current class, right?
It depends on what you are trying to measure. The whole point of including transfers per what I have read is the increased pace and quality of kids jumping programs had changed the nature of talent shifts within programs and that should be accounted for.
So the initial question is . . . .what does that have to do with the original intent of recruiting rankings? They were never about overall talent of programs, just the quality of incoming recruiting classes. Why shift it to begin with?
But here we are . . . .they did it anyway. We are now shifting that focus away from just recruits and to all incoming talent no matter the age or origin of the kid.
So it seems a pretty fair to question to ask is how you define the impact of transfers, right? What good if you have 1-2 great inbound transfers but 5-6 outbound transfers of equal or better pedigree.
I bring this all up because the shift was justified in light of the growing importance of the portal and looking at it just from the inbound perspective doesn't really address that larger question.
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