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re: Aggies, let's get down to the nitty gritty. How good will aTm defense be

Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:16 am to
Posted by Hugh McElroy
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:16 am to
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That's a very bold statement.


Football has changed. A defense will never hold teams to an average of 200 yards of total offense like the best A&M defenses of old did - not anymore. Rules have changed. Nobody can expect their defense to do that.

If we can get a defense that is legitimately one of the best 10, or at least best 20, defenses in the country (that's what we need to have a true Wrecking Crew defense), then, given how Sumlin's teams can move the ball and score points, we'll be a NC contender.
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Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:17 am to
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Myles Garrett will be a beast. With the way A&M recruits it is only a matter of time before they are a factor every single year. Nice job Aggies


going to be some big recruiting battles going on in East Texas
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:18 am to
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going to be some big recruiting battles going on in East Texas



And over in LA.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:20 am to
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If we can get a defense that is legitimately one of the best 10, or at least best 20, defenses in the country (that's what we need to have a true Wrecking Crew defense), then, given how Sumlin's teams can move the ball and score points, we'll be a NC contender.


We heard the exact same thing last year and your defense actually got worse.
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:27 am to
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We heard the exact same thing last year and your defense actually got worse.



I don't think any of us expected to have a great defense last year.

I will admit last year did push back my expectations for a top 40 defense from next season to the one after next. I hope whatever QB starts puts up Case numbers.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:27 am to
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We heard the exact same thing last year and your defense actually got worse.


True, we didn't return so many young starters. We didn't fully appreciate the good job done by the people we lost two years ago, nor how hard of a time the young guys were going to have adjusting. We lost five guys in our starting front seven, and the guys we expected to replace them couldn't get the job done. We had to go to the true freshmen, and not many true freshmen are ready.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:32 am to
From the games I watched talent wasn't an issue, it was the coaching and fundamentals. Poor form, poor tackling, poor scheme, just a disaster.

They need a new defensive staff
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
19808 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:39 am to
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From the games I watched talent wasn't an issue, it was the coaching and fundamentals. Poor form, poor tackling, poor scheme, just a disaster.

They need a new defensive staff


Yes, but everybody knows that you're almost clinical in your hatred of A&M. You can't watch objectively.

Snyder over-performed the year before, so I don't think it is the staff. I really think the older guys just sucked, and the younger guys weren't ready.
Posted by DFWAggie09
DFW
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:42 am to
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We heard the exact same thing last year and your defense actually got worse.


I think that statement will probably be true every year going forward. I don't think anyone has much doubt that Sumlin can keep stacking elite offensive classes together every year. As long as the defense can build depth every year and be a respectable unit, why wouldn't they be in the hunt every year?
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:50 am to
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We heard the exact same thing last year and your defense actually got worse.


Surely you don't want to get into a discussion about statements that didn't come true after last seasons debacle in Arkansas now do you?

Very few Ags were under any impression that our defense would be close to top 10 or top 20. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anyone that follows the Ags knew we were very young and had no depth. Game plan was always to outscore people.

Come on man.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:55 am to
Garrett, Mack, Jefferson and Sheffielf would all be five star recruits. Mix that in with guys Golden and Harvey which were national top 100 guys that might have 5 star measurables, if all our talent pans out, easily a top 10 defense. But nothing ever completely pans out. But we are recruiting defensive guys at the top level so at this point we have no reason to be anything but optimistic.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:24 am to
As has been explained previously. Sherman whiffed on defensive recruiting.

Can everyone agree that defense is predicated on D-Line play?

If the D-Line is good, the rest of the defense has less pressure on it?

If we can agree, good. Now go look at the D-Line recruits that Sumlin has lined up with these 2 classes. Aggies are pleased with the D-Line talent coming in.

So, we will have fresh and sophs that look to be talented. Most will see the field next year. We are building depth and experience.

If the Defense doesn't improve in the next 2 years, then there is an issue.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:31 am to
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Very few Ags were under any impression that our defense would be close to top 10 or top 20. Nothing could be further from the truth


That's not what I said. Last offseason all we heard was if the defense could get better, aggy would be in the national title hunt. Your defense got worse.

One year later, aggy is saying the exact same thing. Why should anyone believe that Sumlin can field a good defense when he's never done it in his career?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:36 am to
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One year later, aggy is saying the exact same thing. Why should anyone believe that Sumlin can field a good defense when he's never done it in his career?


Recruiting? He's never recruited this well either. Myles Garrett is a 5 star. When is the last time Texas A&M even had a 5 star defensive player on its roster?

shite. I always forget I'm talking to Arkansas fans about five stars when they probably think of a 5th star as a yeti or a unicorn. You see. Talent(something Bielema will never get) is something you need to be elite. Texas A&M is getting it.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:39 am to
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Last offseason all we heard was if the defense could get better, aggy would be in the national title hunt.


Most important word highlighted for you.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:42 am to
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Most important word highlighted for you.


Ok. I'm not arguing that you had a terrible defense. Just that you guys said the same thing last year. I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:45 am to
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You see. Talent(something Bielema will never get) is something you need to be elite. Texas A&M is getting it.



Sumlin had superior talent while at Houston thanks to Bryles, yet could never win the weak CUSA.

Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:51 am to
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Sumlin had superior talent while at Houston thanks to Bryles, yet could never win the weak CUSA.


Houston never had the top recruiting classes under Briles... Sumlin's worst recruiting class at U of H was better than Art's best.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:54 am to
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Houston never had the top recruiting classes under Briles... Sumlin's worst recruiting class at U of H was better than Art's best.



That's not what I said.

He did have more talent than the majority of the CUSA teams he was facing, NFL QB, WRs, etc, his Houston team is still within the last 5 wins or so for Southern Miss's program.
Posted by Maroon Flash
Florida
Member since May 2013
1527 posts
Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:56 am to
Okay, the Coaches that held Oklahoma to 13 in the Cotton Bowl forgot how to Coach in the 2013 offseason.


The Aggies are rid of the one Coach I had a problem with which was the DB Coach.

Expect to see a steady improvement on D over the next two seasons.
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