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re: According to Wolken, among the PAC-12 players’ demands is 50% of the league’s revenue
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:00 pm to America1776
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:00 pm to America1776
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You just don’t seem to know much about college football
ok buddyquote:
Each post you say something, realize it’s wrong then edit it out.
Haven’t done that once. Have I edited a post? Yes. Have I removed anything? No
I’m still waiting on your example of a program that cut individual players because they couldn’t afford to carry a full 85 scholarships.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 5:04 pm
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:04 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Wrong this is college sports get it through your head, these are a
AMATEUR athletes they are getting a scholarship to go to school. if they're good enough they can play pro sports they are not being paid to play football they are getting a free education nothing more most are playing a game we would all play for free it's not a f****** business at that level.
Most on this board would play that game for nothing, beco we play because we loved the sport.
Socialist people like you will kill modern college athletics and then everybody loses
AMATEUR athletes they are getting a scholarship to go to school. if they're good enough they can play pro sports they are not being paid to play football they are getting a free education nothing more most are playing a game we would all play for free it's not a f****** business at that level.
Most on this board would play that game for nothing, beco we play because we loved the sport.
Socialist people like you will kill modern college athletics and then everybody loses
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:05 pm to lsufball19
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Haven’t done that once
lol you’ve edited every message directed at me! This is... not hard to go look at?
And lol you want me to show you how to use google? Learning about college football AND the internet all in one year—and people are saying 2020 isn’t a good year for anyone!
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:07 pm to America1776
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lol you’ve edited every message directed at me! This is... not hard to go look at?
Right. What have I “edited out”? I didn’t say a post hasn’t been edited.
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And lol you want me to show you how to use google?
No, I want you to support your own argument with facts. Seems like a pretty reasonable request
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:13 pm to lsufball19
1. Editing all messages after regretting original message then denying it.
2. Doesn’t know how to use google
3. First time inquiring about college football rules and goings-on
4. Struggling to grasp logical reasoning
5. Vindictively down voting any post that hurts feelings
Haha alright man, you got me. You’re either very young or extremely old. Either way, i feel bad about messing with you. Geaux tigers! (P.S. Our QB usually isn’t that good, so you might want to change your username for next season)
2. Doesn’t know how to use google
3. First time inquiring about college football rules and goings-on
4. Struggling to grasp logical reasoning
5. Vindictively down voting any post that hurts feelings
Haha alright man, you got me. You’re either very young or extremely old. Either way, i feel bad about messing with you. Geaux tigers! (P.S. Our QB usually isn’t that good, so you might want to change your username for next season)
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:15 pm to lsufball19
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So if a football program has a bad fiscal year, would it be ok to cut players to make up for their losses? If a player doesn’t produce, should the school be able to cut him mid season? Should schools be able to fine players for misconduct? Should schools still have to provide everything else for free? Should we have college players sign contracts and hold them to the terms of those contracts, treating then like employees? You want to transfer? Tough shite.
The NCAA is going to let athletes profit off of their likeness. You’ll find out very soon just how valuable most college athletes are in the free market (not very)
My comment was directed at T9 Welfare Sports & non Revenue Welfare Sports
At the Top70 colleges that gross $5 billion among them FB & MBB have always had enough Money to cover expenses and player schollies
My point was simply why create a system where certain sports are allowed to lose tons of money each year and then tell those that do turn a Profit , " there's no Money for you we're barely break-even"
The NCAA Contract that Players sign is one of the most one sided , detailed contracts ever written
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:16 pm to America1776
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Me: yes. UAB did it, and other programs cut scholarships all the time
UAB dissolved their entire program.
Some schools have gone down a classification to cut costs but I don't
recall any schools cutting the amount scholarships they are supposed to have.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:16 pm to America1776
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America1776
Can’t support his own argument with facts, so he resorts to deflections, irrelevant counter-points, and ad hominem attacks directed towards poster asking him to simply support his own argument. I think that about sums it up. Well done, little guy
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:17 pm to RD Dawg
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recall any schools cutting the amount scholarships they are supposed to have.
“Is this you first time watching football lololol?” America1776
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:22 pm to Dennis4LSU
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Wrong this is college sports get it through your head, these are a
AMATEUR athletes they are getting a scholarship to go to school. if they're good enough they can play pro sports they are not being paid to play football they are getting a free education nothing more most are playing a game we would all play for free it's not a f****** business at that level.
This is bullshite, I could care less about the word Amateur, anytime you spread $5 billion dollars among 70 Colleges, that isn't just business, it is big business
Stop mentioning the Pros, the NFL has nothing to do with the yearly $5 Billion dollars spread out among the 70 P5 Colleges
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:22 pm to RD Dawg
Yes, I’m aware UAB dissolved their program. The guy I was responding to originally asked if a college program could revoke scholarships because of a bad fiscal year. UAB was the example I gave because they experienced a rough fiscal year and dissolved the program, therefor taking away scholarships.
Other programs do this on a much smaller scale when they have bad fiscal turns. Or they just don’t fill their scholarship quota to begin with.
Other programs do this on a much smaller scale when they have bad fiscal turns. Or they just don’t fill their scholarship quota to begin with.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:28 pm to morriscat2
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Today it is called stipends. Tomorrow it will be called salaries. It will become unionized and backed by powerful attorneys.It will force a major split creating a haven for amateur collegiate sports and then a farm league for professional sports. The purity of the game will diminish.
If I had a vote, I would want Vanderbilt and Tennessee to stay out of the professional league
Purity of the Game?
CFB has never been pure
What purity of the Game?
You're kidding right?
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:29 pm to hilltophog
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Why not? I'm not saying limit roster numbers to 40 but just scholarships. The 40 scholarships don't have to be split amongst 40 players. You give out partials to reach the max number of 40.
Partial scholarships? WTF is a working class/poor kid gonna do with a partial schololorship? Why do you feel the need to cut to 40 anyway? FORGET about a developmental league for FB.IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
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Are you saying college football players aren't as smart or financially secure as college baseball players?
YES I am saying they are better off.
You can't be this dense.Do have any idea how much money it takes for travel ball?
Their parents spend thousands every year so their kids will get drafted or sign a scholarship.
FB is by far,a less expensive sport for kids to play.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:29 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If it were truly a capitalist system the players would have the same rights to negotiate for better pay and better terms just like the Coaches
They do and this is where you keep fricking up. You keep treating things as if the NCAA is the only choice or that it is forced on them.
It is not. They can hire their own coaches to teach them, hire their own trainers to make them better physically, and hire their own crew to promote them to get invites to the combine etc.
Do you also blame companies like Google/Microsoft/Hospitals because they force a kid to go to school for 4-8 years before being hired? Because that's basically what the NFL does also.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:33 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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My comment was directed at T9 Welfare Sports & non Revenue Welfare Sports
At the Top70 colleges that gross $5 billion among them FB & MBB have always had enough Money to cover expenses and player schollies
My point was simply why create a system where certain sports are allowed to lose tons of money each year and then tell those that do turn a Profit , " there's no Money for you we're barely break-even"
The NCAA Contract that Players sign is one of the most one sided , detailed contracts ever written
The problem with this, is that you are somehow dumb enough to believe college football is a stand-alone entity, completely detached from the rest of college athletics. It isn't. And federal law dictates that it will never be.
Players will get NIL rights, but that's it. The idea of revenue sharing when 85% of athletic departments are subsidized is ludicrous.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:34 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If it were truly a capitalist system the players would have the same rights to negotiate for better pay and better terms just like the Coaches
THEY DO! when they are being recruited they have options. After they sign their CONTRACT they dont have options. Same as your job, if you sign a contract with a company and later that night think of something you wanted to add, too late to do that now!
The things that no one really wants to discuss is that value of what they are given, the medical care that is provided, the travel expenses, the meals, and the ability to promote oneself to increase the chances of a better future! (get drafted) NO you cannot do it for FB and MBB and not for the rest of the sports because those sports dont produce revenue. What about the schools where the WBB team produces revenue? Are you saying the WBB team at Connecticut doesnt produce revenue? You are opening a can of worms that you dont want to open, nothing will be better after this.
The PAC-12 should treat this exactly the same way the NFL did during the strike, just replace those players with others that want to play. Your argument will be that striking players can then go to a different school and kick their original schools arse is invalid because NO SCHOOL is going to give up 50% of their revenue. NO SCHOOL is going to pay them that much so you dont have to worry about a USC player signing with Arizona and kicking USC's arse.
The players demanding this have no clue what they are saying, just as the left is demanding to defund police have no clue what life will be like without police. They are taking points and making an argument without taking into consideration ALL the information. Someone will introduce the information about having to pay taxes on their scholarship, buy their own equipment, pay for their own travel and meals, housing, ect and they will see the error of their ways!
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:34 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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This is bullshite, I could care less about the word Amateur, anytime you spread $5 billion dollars among 70 Colleges, that isn't just business, it is big business
You'll find operating expenses that go beyond $5 billion dollars. 90% of that is spent directly on the students/athletes. But since you haven't done shite in your life, you don't understand the difference between revenue and profit.
Kind of like how you bitch about Saban's salary. Meanwhile it never even occurs to you that the money is actually being spent for the students/athletes themselves, which is part of the draw for them to go to Alabama in the first place. Because it turns out, the quality of the coaching and teaching is important.
Do you also blame Stanford/Harvard and others for charging more than other schools for a scholarship while paying their professors a higher salary?
Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:50 pm to 3down10
And now, word is out Wazzu just released all their players who participated in this list of demands. Not sure if just cut from the team, or schollys pulled
Posted on 8/2/20 at 6:00 pm to SOBMarcus
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And now, word is out Wazzu just released all their players who participated in this list of demands. Not sure if just cut from the team, or schollys pulled
Nice. It's about time someone stood up for the right thing.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 6:10 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
quote:I see you have a real hard time figuring it out between fact and fiction.... fact College football is for amateurs ...fact the NFL is for professionals what should we start playing high school athletes now? maybe little league they should get a cut I mean you're all for distributing the wealth keep going with your socialist bulshit.
This is bullshite, I could care less about the word Amateur, anytime you spread $5 billion dollars among 70 Colleges, that isn't just business, it is big business
Stop mentioning the Pros, the NFL has nothing to do with the yearly $5 Billion dollars spread out among the 70 P5 Colleges
let's see I have an uncle my father and know quite a few others who went and played college football got a scholarship and went on to become very successful businessmen they were amateurs not professionals.
My God you live in Fantasyland
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 6:21 pm
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