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re: According to Wolken, among the PAC-12 players’ demands is 50% of the league’s revenue
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:30 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:30 pm to lsufball19
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I don’t think you understand what Title IX is. You can’t adjust an equal opportunity law to provide for inequity depending on what sport you play or it no longer serves to provide equal opportunity. You either provide equal opportunity for all college athletes or you don’t. And you keep talking about gross revenue. Most schools don’t have a net revenue of 6 million dollars. The only way to increase their net revenue would be to cut expenses. They’re not going to cut expenses for basketball or football, so your end result would be getting rid of other sports, which is why I asked if you’d be ok with thousands of athletes across the country losing the opportunity to go to college.
I have read the text of T9 multiple times, the Law has morphed away from its intended goals
Once upon a Time on College campuses, a Woman that wanted to major in Math or Engineering had to use the restroom in another Bldg because the math or Emgr bldg had no ladies restrooms because women weren't supposed to major in such things
So along came T9 that gave Women in College EQUAL ACCESS TO FACILITIES
The theory behind T9 in Athletics was that if you have an Arena then the Women's Basketball Team had to have equal access to that facility for their sport, if you had a baseball Facility for baseball you had to build the Women a comparable Softball Facility
T9 started about 70 or 71 by the time the Mid 80s rolled around the CFA lawsuits combined with the explosion in Cable TV (this put between 100-200 channels in each home) took the TV Money away from the NCAA and gave it to the Conferences and ultimately to the Schools
With this explosion in TV Revenues T9 morphed from "equal access to Facilities" to let the Majority Black Athletes raise Millions of Dollars and we'll transfer the wealth to T9 Sports, you see in theory once T9 Sports had equal access to Facilities they were supposed to make their own Money and not become permanent welfare recipients
If you actually READ the text of the Title IX Laws nowhere will you read anything about 1 group making the Money and then have the AD transfer it to T9 sports
That's why I mention T9 being adjusted, T9 has morphed beyond what it was intended to be, this has happened with Laws before
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:30 pm to lsufball19
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Universities as a whole are in a vulnerable situation right now financially, so right now is probably the absolute worst time to be demanding money from anyone. I guess if they want to destroy the whole damn thing, they’re on the right track, but they better be careful what they’re wishing for
I mean, they’re directly addressing what the consequences of no action will be—these specific players will not play football this fall.
If your coworker goes on maternity leave and you ask for more money for picking up their work, your company can either say yes or no. That’s what these athletes are doing—just in an incredibly clumsy, misinformed kind of way.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:32 pm to lsufball19
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No they don’t. An FBS football program doesn’t cut their scholarships from 85 after a bad fiscal year. Disbanding an entire program is not comparable in the least to what was being discussed
I didn’t say they cut the number—which you never brought up. But they do cut specific players scholarships.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:35 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If you actually READ the text of the Title IX Laws
If you read the text of any law, then you’d have absolutely zero basis to post about systemic racism, yet you do every single day. But laws mean virtually nothing without case law precedent to explain how the courts will interpret and apply said laws. This is where your argument falls on its face. Since you claim to be so well versed in the text of the law, tell me how it should be adjusted to provide revenue sharing to only revenue producing sports. And what about college football/basketball programs that have net deficits? Are the players just SOL if the programs have a bad year financially?
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:37 pm to America1776
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But they do cut specific players scholarships.
And replace them with other players. Cutting players has never been about money, which is the entire topic of this thread
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:41 pm to lsufball19
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You literally did not
Lol is this a troll?
GT troll: his IBM scholarship got taken when IBM had a bad quarter
You: yeah but could a football program have a bad fiscal year and cut scholarships?!
Me: yes. UAB did it, and other programs cut scholarships all the time.
You: HuH?! wHeN DiD wE sTaRt tALkiNg aBoUt DiS??
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:42 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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although I will admit when those with less freedoms & rights are the Sports that are Majority Black, there is a racism component that must be considered
This is the issue with people like you.
You dont judge racism on the actual event but rather on who's involved.
White guy killed by cop? No biggie
Black guy killed by cop? Racism!
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:45 pm to Dennis4LSU
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Explain how in the f*** that is a shity system that is a capitalist system not a socialist Communist system you dim rod... My God not everybody deserves a participation trophy and wealth equally distributed get over yourself
If it were truly a capitalist system the players would have the same rights to negotiate for better pay and better terms just like the Coaches
But since the Players don't then give them larger Stipends rather than have 100 FB & MBB each trying to negotiate their own deals
What did you learn about Capitalism in school?
If this were about Capitalism then there'd be no male Non Revenue Sports since they aren't protected by T9, while I'm at it T9 is anti Capitalism
The entire College Athl Dept is anti Capitalism but you're quiet right up until the second Revenue Athletes ask for more fair Economic treatment
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:46 pm to lsufball19
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And replace them with other players. Cutting players has never been about money, which is the entire topic of this thread
Yes, but they aren’t replacing all of them immediately. They will eventually get to their number. But a good bit of programs, smaller school usually, will cut kids who are hurt or aren’t performing and fill them at a later time.
You’ve never heard of a coach taking over a program with “only 55 scholarship players!” Some universities can afford for the coach to fill the team immediately, others sit around. Hence players getting random scholarships in the middle of the season.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:46 pm to America1776
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other programs cut scholarships all the time.
I don’t know why you keep repeating this. Football players get cut and are replaced with other football players. Programs do not have a bad year fiscally and get rid of the number of scholarship players they have on their team as a result.
UAB disbanded their entire program. That would be akin to comparing a corporate entity disbanding and all their employees and donations being eliminated. Well no shite Sherlock. But that’s not what’s being discussed here. I don’t believe IBM went out of business, so your comparison is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Not my fault 400 yrs of American History forces the issue
This is the issue with people like you.
You dont judge racism on the actual event but rather on who's involved.
White guy killed by cop? No biggie
Black guy killed by cop? Racism!
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:48 pm to America1776
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Yes, but they aren’t replacing all of them immediately. They will eventually get to their number. But a good bit of programs, smaller school usually, will cut kids who are hurt or aren’t performing and fill them at a later time.
None of this is accurate
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You’ve never heard of a coach taking over a program with “only 55 scholarship players!”
Yes, programs who were on probation
There are not programs who don’t use all 85 of their scholarships because they can’t afford to carry 85 players
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:50 pm to lsufball19
Lol was 2019 LSU your first year following football? A good year to start, to be fair, I guess
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:53 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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If it were truly a capitalist system the players would have the same rights to negotiate for better pay and better terms just like the Coaches
They do on the open market. It’s not the NCAA’s fault there aren’t better alternatives for players. It’s not the NCAA’s job to restructure their system because there aren’t better alternatives for the players. I was an unpaid intern once upon a time in grad school. I was thankful for the opportunity because it got my foot in the door for my profession. Problem with college athletes is they want to continue getting everything for free they already do and get paid on top of that. Most athletes aren’t worth on the open market what colleges already provide to them.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:53 pm to America1776
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Lol was 2019 LSU your first year following football? A good year to start, to be fair, I guess
Wtf are you talking about?
Why don’t you give some examples of programs who don’t cut football players because they couldn’t afford their scholarships. That would be a good place for you to start
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:54 pm to lsufball19
I never said Revenue sharing - I said larger Stipends
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:56 pm to diddlydawg7
Today it is called stipends. Tomorrow it will be called salaries. It will become unionized and backed by powerful attorneys.It will force a major split creating a haven for amateur collegiate sports and then a farm league for professional sports. The purity of the game will diminish.
If I had a vote, I would want Vanderbilt and Tennessee to stay out of the professional league.
If I had a vote, I would want Vanderbilt and Tennessee to stay out of the professional league.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:56 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Not my fault 400 yrs of American History forces the issue
As far as the institution of chattel slavery – the treatment of slaves as property – in the United States, if we use 1619 as the beginning and the 1865 13th Amendment as its end, then it lasted 246 years, not 400.
Also, from your statement, you basically stated that are incapable of reasonable thinking about racial issues since you apparently cannot judge real racism based on America's history.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:56 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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I never said Revenue sharing - I said larger Stipends
Where are the stipends going to come from if not from revenue? Why should every player receive the same stipend? What about the programs that lose money? Should they have to pay with money they don’t have?
I know you don’t want to hear this, but college athletics are not only a farm system for professional sports.
The NCAA is going to let players profit off their likeness. Why do they need more? Let the market determine their worth.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 4:59 pm to lsufball19
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Wtf are you talking about? Why don’t you give some examples of programs who don’t cut football players because they couldn’t afford their scholarships. That would be a good place for you to start
You just don’t seem to know much about college football, and your username has 19 in it, so I was wondering if this is your first time watching.
And I’ve enjoyed following along your logic journey here. Each post you say something, realize it’s wrong then edit it out. Eventually maybe you’ll catch on and just not post at all?
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