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re: Academic Rankings 2018 - SEC
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:05 am to volfan30
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:05 am to volfan30
What is this list from?
US News rankings that came out last month were
1. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
5. South Carolina
t6. Auburn
t6. Tennessee
t8. Alabama
t8. Missouri
10. LSU
11. Kentucky
t12. Arkansas
t12. Ole Miss
14. Mississippi State
Ahh, now I see the problem. Academics is raising it's ugly head. Our standards have just gotten too high to compete!
US News rankings that came out last month were
1. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
5. South Carolina
t6. Auburn
t6. Tennessee
t8. Alabama
t8. Missouri
10. LSU
11. Kentucky
t12. Arkansas
t12. Ole Miss
14. Mississippi State
Ahh, now I see the problem. Academics is raising it's ugly head. Our standards have just gotten too high to compete!
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:06 am to jawjaTiger
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Not from a list that ranks South Carolina 5th in the SEC.
Have some sense.
For God's sake.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:08 am to volfan30
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What is this list from?
US News rankings that came out last month were
1. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
5. South Carolina
t6. Auburn
t6. Tennessee
t8. Alabama
t8. Missouri
10. LSU
11. Kentucky
t12. Arkansas
t12. Ole Miss
14. Mississippi State
Lets just go with this instead.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:17 am to Cockeee Don
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5. South Carolina
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8. Missouri
OK.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:15 am to jawjaTiger
Measured by earnings: payscale
(74) Vanderbilt
(87) Texas A&M
(210) Auburn
(247) Florida
(248) LSU
(274) Georgia
(294) Missouri
(352) Arkansas
(403) Kentucky
(418) Alabama
(458) Tennessee
(464) Mississippi
(634) Ole Miss
(647) South Carolina
Personally I have Vandy out in front, A&M-Georgia-Florida interchangeable in the next group, then everyone else. However, I did find these interesting.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:35 am to cjohn
Cost of living may play a part
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:17 am to jawjaTiger
LINK or it didn't happen.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:07 pm to RiverDawg
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Cost of living may play a part
Yup, but that doesn't explain the discrepancy between Georgia and Auburn.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:20 pm to cjohn
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Measured by reported earnings: payscale
Fify. And we all know aggy would never lie about or inflate their earnings...
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:27 pm to Smart Post
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Fify. And we all know aggy would never lie about or inflate their earnings...
Thanks for taking the time to read my entire post, particularly the bottom where I disagreed and put A&M, Florida and Georgia as interchangeable.
Take a lap skippy.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:20 pm to cjohn
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discrepancy between Georgia and Auburn
One has an abundance of STEM degrees while the other is a full serving state University that graduates teachers, social workers, communications folks, etc. Jobs that need degrees and people with them to serve in but aren't going to light up the salary scales.
There is a reason engineering type schools always rank high on these lists, and why A&M/Auburn/LSU rank so high on it.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:50 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Also, UA attracts a larger number of top students (ACT of 33 or higher) than any other SEC School, save Texas A&M.
That's a rather subjective definition of "top students"...
UA's freshman class was larger overall 6600 or so to 5700ish... so using raw totals does make it possible to claim a perceived edge, but that's like comparing total yards instead of yards per carry... surely you find YPC to be a necessary statistic for context, no?
UGA's middle 50% of ACT scores in 2018 was 28-33 - so a higher bottom and top (marginally) end on the middle 50%. Our average was 30. UA's average was 27... putting 75% of UGA's incoming class above the average for admission into UA. Didn't see a raw median value anywhere to use as reference for either.
Nevermind that SAT is a more commonly taken Standardized test in the state of GA compared to ACT in Alabama.
UGA: SAT Middle 50% of Admitted First-Year Students: 1320-1490
UA:
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SAT Math 586 average
520-640 range of middle 50%
SAT Critical Reading 591 average
530-640 range of middle 50%
That would amount to a middle 50% of 1050-1280...
Our average HS GPA of all incoming freshmen was 4.07 to UA's 3.72.
Larger number of top students ya say...
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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One has an abundance of STEM degrees while the other is a full serving state University that graduates teachers, social workers, communications folks, etc. Jobs that need degrees and people with them to serve in but aren't going to light up the salary scales.
There is a reason engineering type schools always rank high on these lists, and why A&M/Auburn/LSU rank so high on it.
ding ding ding.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:52 pm to jawjaTiger
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#2 Florida
No way! Correspondence courses from prison should not count...
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:08 pm to GetmorewithLes
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quote: Also, UA attracts a larger number of top students (ACT of 33 or higher) than any other SEC School, save Texas A&M. That's a rather subjective definition of "top students"... UA's freshman class was larger overall 6600 or so to 5700ish... so using raw totals does make it possible to claim a perceived edge, but that's like comparing total yards instead of yards per carry... surely you find YPC to be a necessary statistic for context, no? UGA's middle 50% of ACT scores in 2018 was 28-33 - so a higher bottom and top (marginally) end on the middle 50%. Our average was 30. UA's average was 27... putting 75% of UGA's incoming class above the average for admission into UA. Didn't see a raw median value anywhere to use as reference for either. Nevermind that SAT is a more commonly taken Standardized test in the state of GA compared to ACT in Alabama. UGA: SAT Middle 50% of Admitted First-Year Students: 1320-1490 UA: quote: SAT Math 586 average 520-640 range of middle 50% SAT Critical Reading 591 average 530-640 range of middle 50% That would amount to a middle 50% of 1050-1280... Our average HS GPA of all incoming freshmen was 4.07 to UA's 3.72. Larger number of top students ya say...
I stand by what I wrote. Most students attending UA submit the ACT, so not sure why UGA relying on SAT is relevant to my point. You can convert the ACT to SAT and get a fairly consistent conversion.
Also, last Fall's Freshman class at UA was over 7400. You are using this Fall's numbers, which was a big drop from the trend over the last decade. I never said UA's AVERAGE or MEDIAN was larger. My point is that top students seem to find UA very attractive, despite its generally poorer (somewhat undeserved, sometimes deserved) academic reputation.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:12 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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quote: discrepancy between Georgia and Auburn One has an abundance of STEM degrees while the other is a full serving state University that graduates teachers, social workers, communications folks, etc. Jobs that need degrees and people with them to serve in but aren't going to light up the salary scales. There is a reason engineering type schools always rank high on these lists, and why A&M/Auburn/LSU rank so high on it. This post was edited on 10/19 at 1:23 pm
Very good point! Auburn does the same thing to UA. UA has a far higher percentage of non STEM fields of study, even though it now has just as large of an Engineering program as Auburn. So by having far more non STEM students, its AVG salary for lowers the avg salary of grads.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:22 pm to cjohn
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Yup, but that doesn't explain the discrepancy between Georgia and Auburn.
Discrepancy is easy to account for. STEM grads get higher pay directly out of college. Schools with high % of STEM grads have higher averages. Schools with other focuses send more students to graduate school, prolonging the return on wages.
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