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re: A&M wants it's $$$ or it's bolting for the SEC
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:16 am to Dr Drunkenstein
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:16 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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There are politicians with Texas Tech and Baylor connections who know that if the Big 12 implodes, Tech and Baylor run the risk of being marginalized and demoted to a non-BCS conference. They will not let this happen. Throw in all of the good old boy politicians with A&M and Texas ties who don't want to see a 116 year rivalry come to an end on their watch and it makes it even more difficult. This isn't some BS conjecture, this is what just happened to save the Big 12-2. This is why, when a public records request made public emails between the President of Texas and the President of Ohio State, the Texas president said Texas would be interested in the Big 10 in theory but really couldn't consider an offer because of its "Tech Problem".
I seriously doubt TTU would have a problem getting a BCS offer. Their academics are solid and their football program is decent, better than many out there. The Texas Legislature, particularly a former Gov is the reason you have SMU outside looking in, it will be interesting to see how this works out.
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:22 am to rangers911
Chicken may need to restart the conference realignment board!
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:24 am to rangers911
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I seriously doubt TTU would have a problem getting a BCS offer. Their academics are solid and their football program is decent,
Texas Tech is a Tier 3 academic university that is geographically isolated that hasn't won an outright conference title since 1955. They also aren't a lock to deliver any major Texas TV markets. More likely than not, if they weren't tag-alongs with Texas and Texas A&M, they would not be added to a BCS conference.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:31 am to Monticello
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There is simply no way that the Big 12-2 can have the same value to a sports channel as the SEC when the Big12-2 only has 3 premier programs (only 2 of which currently have any national interest whatsoever).
Not to mention losing a championship game at the end of each year on top of that. Less teams, less tv, but more money? right.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:40 am to Alahunter
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Not to mention losing a championship game at the end of each year on top of that. Less teams, less tv, but more money? right.
The whole thing has never made sense and it has never been completely explained just where all of the $ would come from.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:47 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Based on what the politicians in Texas have said, if the SEC wants a presence in Texas, it will have to take all of those Texas schools.
ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Why in the world would the SEC cater to the demands of a state legislature to take on marginal teams? The SEC is in the driver's seat here, not the state of Texas. I guess the four Texas schools will end up in the All Texas Conference, play each other twice per season, and give all the money to Texas...??
It'll be a cold day in Hell when Baylor is in the SEC.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:49 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I live in Texas and know what you are saying is true but at some point the Big 12-2 is going to disinigrate and everyone is going to have to land somewhere.
The money involved will trump the politics involved and the old Southwest Conferance teams staying together will really be a thing of the past.
Texas will be the one to cause all of this but they will try to make it look like the fault of others.
The money involved will trump the politics involved and the old Southwest Conferance teams staying together will really be a thing of the past.
Texas will be the one to cause all of this but they will try to make it look like the fault of others.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:51 am to Quidam65
The SEC does not need to expand. It helps LSU when recruiting a Texas kids to point out the advantages of playing in SEC vs Big 12 etc.Same for Arky,Bama and other SEC schools that recruit Texas.
Aggies will keep more recruits at home by selling playing in the SEC. Aggies were as good as an SEC team in the 90s.They have more money than any SEC school with the exception of Florida.
By expanding to 14 or more teams,the conference will lose it's idenity and long time series will have to be terminated. I like LSU playing Bama and Auburn every year.OSU,TT and Baylor don't bring anything to the conference.
It's silly to think schools can play 12 conference games a year.Teams need a cupcake sometime during the season for a mental break and a chance to rest some banged up players.You guys remmber your high school team usually scheduled a couple of smaller schools each year.
CBS and ESPN are in every major market in the country.
Aggies will keep more recruits at home by selling playing in the SEC. Aggies were as good as an SEC team in the 90s.They have more money than any SEC school with the exception of Florida.
By expanding to 14 or more teams,the conference will lose it's idenity and long time series will have to be terminated. I like LSU playing Bama and Auburn every year.OSU,TT and Baylor don't bring anything to the conference.
It's silly to think schools can play 12 conference games a year.Teams need a cupcake sometime during the season for a mental break and a chance to rest some banged up players.You guys remmber your high school team usually scheduled a couple of smaller schools each year.
CBS and ESPN are in every major market in the country.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:51 am to Dr Drunkenstein
Same TV money being distributed to 2 fewer schools. And, fwiw, we'll all be adding a conference game, which adds to the exclusive menu for the networks, fwiw.
The confusing part to me is what the small schools offered up. Was it their share of the buyout penalties and/or a bigger cut from TV? No way we see those buyout penalties.
The confusing part to me is what the small schools offered up. Was it their share of the buyout penalties and/or a bigger cut from TV? No way we see those buyout penalties.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:52 am to DvlsAdvocat
Here's where the money is coming from:
The already standing TV contract is simply being split among 10, opposed to 12. The networks involved could either re-do tv contracts across the country and dish out millions more if super conferences are formed, or they could simply honor the current Big 12 tv deal to less Big 12 teams. It's a business decision on their end.
As for the few million that still need to be dished out to hit '20 Million', it was supposed to come from fees from Colorado and Nebraska.
This isn't that hard to understand. I'm not sure why people can't get it. It's the lack of money from Nebraska and Colorado that make this difficult to meet A&M's promise.
It's not that hard to grasp.
The already standing TV contract is simply being split among 10, opposed to 12. The networks involved could either re-do tv contracts across the country and dish out millions more if super conferences are formed, or they could simply honor the current Big 12 tv deal to less Big 12 teams. It's a business decision on their end.
As for the few million that still need to be dished out to hit '20 Million', it was supposed to come from fees from Colorado and Nebraska.
This isn't that hard to understand. I'm not sure why people can't get it. It's the lack of money from Nebraska and Colorado that make this difficult to meet A&M's promise.
It's not that hard to grasp.
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:52 am to DvlsAdvocat
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ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Why in the world would the SEC cater to the demands of a state legislature to take on marginal teams? The SEC is in the driver's seat here, not the state of Texas. I guess the four Texas schools will end up in the All Texas Conference, play each other twice per season, and give all the money to Texas...??
It'll be a cold day in Hell when Baylor is in the SEC.
Could not agree more. All the SEC really wants out of Texas is Texas A&M. I don't think anyone in the conference, from high to low, wants to be in the same bed as the Longhorns.
And Baylor and TTU have a future in the MWC, not the SEC.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:54 am to Bernie Moore
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It helps LSU when recruiting a Texas kids to point out the advantages of playing in SEC vs Big 12 etc.Same for Arky,Bama and other SEC schools that recruit Texas.
Precisely why the Aggies would have come out far ahead had they come to the SEC, vs the decision they made. They would have, imo, reaped better recruiting from it, more television exposure and gotten out from the shadow of Tx had they not decided to stay with a sinking ship.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:56 am to TenTex
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Look for Texas to do an end around and talk directly to the SEC at some point for admittance
Uh...
...no.
It ain't happenin.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:00 am to chinese58
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The money involved will trump the politics involved and the old Southwest Conferance teams staying together will really be a thing of the past.
That was my point. I know the the legislature wants them to stay together. I get it. But even King Obama won't be able to keep these 4 schools together if and when the Big 12(10) finally splits up. The SEC would never take those 4 together. As I said before, unless they want to start a Texas conference and invite UTEP and SFA, they won't be together.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:00 am to Alahunter
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Precisely why the Aggies would have come out far ahead had they come to the SEC, vs the decision they made. They would have, imo, reaped better recruiting from it, more television exposure and gotten out from the shadow of Tx had they not decided to stay with a sinking ship.
Well said. And that's why Texas wants TAMU to remain shackled to it.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:02 am to woopiginaustin
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There was no new tv deal.
Basically the tv deal for the Big 12 will be honored with 2 less teams, providing a greater share per team.
If Fox and friends did not do so they had a total change in football and tv landscapes on their hands and would have to renegotiate tv contracts across America and it would have cost them way more money to do so.
Good insight. Makes sense. Honestly I hope the Big 12-2 can pony up the money because I don't want a massive conference reshuffling. The Big 12 has a team in the last 2 BCS Championships. Losing Nebraska hurts but they are still a solid conference. The regional appeal of the current conference configuration worth saving IMHO.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:20 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Texas Tech is a Tier 3 academic university that is geographically isolated that hasn't won an outright conference title since 1955. They also aren't a lock to deliver any major Texas TV markets. More likely than not, if they weren't tag-alongs with Texas and Texas A&M, they would not be added to a BCS conference.
TTU just hit a tier 2 status in resarch in several areas. Their football program is not a national contender on a regular basis but it is a solid program that can produce wins and will get watched. There are conferences that were looking at them to pick them up. The problem was how the last conference reallignment was being handled and why so many people joined forces to stop it.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:42 am to rangers911
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Why in the world would the SEC cater to the demands of a state legislature to take on marginal teams?
To lock up two top ten tv markets (Dallas & Houston) and two other large tv markets (san antonio and Austin).
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Texas will be the one to cause all of this but they will try to make it look like the fault of others.
If by 'Texas' you mean the legislature, you are correct. If by 'Texas' you mean the University of Texas, you couldn't be more wrong. UT would love nothing more than to break away from everyone and to go to the Big 10 but they can't.
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The SEC does not need to expand.
.......but, if it looks like the Big12-2 will blow up, it would be foolish not to try to secure the major TV markets in Texas.
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This isn't that hard to understand. I'm not sure why people can't get it. It's the lack of money from Nebraska and Colorado that make this difficult to meet A&M's promise.
There are no fees, Nebraska & CU's tv revenue this season will be docked. Still, when you divide the pie among 10 instead of 12 and factor in NU's and CU's part of the tv revenue that will be docked from them, there still isn't enough $ to give out all that was promised.
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I don't think anyone in the conference, from high to low, wants to be in the same bed as the Longhorns.
You may not like Texas personally, but your Commissioner would love to have Texas in the SEC and would do whatever he could to make it happen. I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is because of $.
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Well said. And that's why Texas wants TAMU to remain shackled to it.
This has nothing to do with what Texas or Texas A&M wants.
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Losing Nebraska hurts but they are still a solid conference.
It really doesn't. Nebraska hasn't mattered in a longtime. Texas has won 8 of 9 in the Big 12 against Nebraska.
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There are conferences that were looking at them to pick them up.
The Pac 10/16 was only interested in Texas Tech because they were a package deal with Texas and Texas A&M.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:44 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Dr Drunkenstein
I don't mean this in a dickhead way, but I've never paid too much attention to your posts.
Where do you want Texas in 5 years?
Posted on 7/29/10 at 11:49 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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You may not like Texas personally, but your Commissioner would love to have Texas in the SEC and would do whatever he could to make it happen. I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is because of $.
Agree to disagree. Besides, if UT ever did get an invite, would they demand unequal revenue sharing?
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