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Posted on 2/12/12 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7427 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 7:46 pm to
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No flame, over/under 11 wins the next two years for the ags?


I don't think we'll have consecutive losing seasons, so over. Hell, we could have consecutive losing seasons and still get 12.

I say 7-6 (w/ bowl win in '12). I wouldn't know where to start in '13.
Posted by texasaggie08
Colorado
Member since Dec 2010
1441 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 7:55 pm to
I like how these Big 12 loyalists hate on the SEC and say Okie Lite deserved to be in the NC one minute, and claim that the Big 12 was better top to bottom than the SEC last season....and then they turn around and say that the SEC is SUCH a step up from Big 12 competition that A&M will struggle to win 1-2 conference games in most seasons.

Which is it assholes?
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 7:56 pm
Posted by theSECofTX
C-Stat
Member since Feb 2012
48 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:05 pm to
you do realize that A&M has moved to the SEC and so me making an account is relative... you on the other hand are stuck in the bevo12 and can only sit, watch, and hate!
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:06 pm to
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you don't have an easy run to 5-0 like you have had most years recently to start the season. You'll know what's up early


THIS
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:06 pm to
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I like how these Big 12 loyalists hate on the SEC and say Okie Lite deserved to be in the NC one minute, and claim that the Big 12 was better top to bottom than the SEC last season....and then they turn around and say that the SEC is SUCH a step up from Big 12 competition that A&M will struggle to win 1-2 conference games in most seasons.



you would think that if they were so much deeper or better their bowl record against us the last 8 years would be a little more respectable.

SEC has won


cotton Bowl 7 of last 8

bcs title 3 of 3

independence bowl 8 of 10

Thats 21-3 the last 24 bowl games
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 8:23 pm
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:06 pm to
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I also don't understand the recruiting statement. He lost some from the 2012 class but gained some also, and did a decent enough job given the circumstances. He's off to a very good start on 2013.


The 2012 class gains in my mind, were decommits from other schools, and the heart and play makers were Sherman recruits. Polo might be good, but I have serious reservations about DeVante Harris. The Monroe and Thompson loses were especially bad. Again, this is opinion, and I might be proven completely wrong.

My biggest problem with Sumlin being his system doesn't do it for me, and again that to some extent is opinion. I don't think the wide open 5 wide spread utilizes enough athletes and mismatches, and I don't see the talent that A&M has recruited as suiting that particularly well.

There are enough athletes in the SEC where the defensive backs can just be left out in man coverage on your primary outside receivers, and the third and fourth defensive backs can blow up and dominate the smaller slot guys. In my opinion, again just opinion, is that the offense Sumlin runs utilizes the mismatches that don't exist in the SEC. Two of Houston's leading three receivers last year were under 5' 9". Is that necessarily a problem? No. If you are getting the ball in your play makers hands, so be it. 5500 passing yards, and winning a lot of games is impressive. If it is effective, it is effective. I just don't believe it will be effective in the SEC. An 8-4 Ole Miss beat the best Tech team in the history of their program. Of course there are examples of the wide open spread offense winning games that show the opposite, I just don't think it is a national championship winning formula.


For 2013... He is recruiting Kenny Hill, Swoopes, when Kohl Stewart is already rated a 5 Star by ESPN. In my opinion, Stewart is light years ahead of both, and should be the future. I don't like how he pulled Ty Slanina's offer. I don't like how he is switching to the 4-3. I don't like how he isn't recruiting Keith Ford. I don't like how he is going very national, I would prefer a stronger approach to Houston and Louisiana, and more SEC states. I do like his presence in Dallas, however.

Again, this is all opinion, but at what point do we say there is a systematic failure? Obviously losses aren't going to be the telling statistic. With Sherman, he was completely rebuilding a team, and started a very young team. I highly doubt you were disappointed in what Sherman was doing at the end of 2010 when he was also a .500 coach. Sumlin won't have an experienced quarterback, but he will have an experienced offensive line, great running backs, and Swope on offense. Defensively DeMontre Moore and Sean Porter combined for 18 sacks. In fact the Aggie defense lead the nation in sacks with 51. The next closest team had 46, and the closest SEC team was LSU with 39.

How many wins does Sumlin need in his first 3 seasons? When do Sumlin's recruits need to step up with playmaking ability? Another problem I feel with recruiting slot receivers, and smaller speed backs in their inability to transition to other positions. When you are recruiting tight ends and power backs, you have a little bit more freedom to move around players.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4337 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:08 pm to
TeLaFXWtf,

I'm sorry Sumlin stole your gal and crapped in your breakfast bran.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:12 pm to
A&M schedule for 2012:

La Tech: W
UF: toss up (at kyle, and muschamp looked pretty shaky last year. Aggies have brand new coach. too many unknowns)
SMU: W
SCSU: W
Arky: L
Miss: W
LSU: L
Aub: L
MSU: W
Bama: L
TBD non conf: W
MU: toss up
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62985 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:34 pm to
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The 2012 class gains in my mind, were decommits from other schools


Your point?

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I have serious reservations about DeVante Harris


Most scouts don't

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For 2013... He is recruiting Kenny Hill, Swoopes, when Kohl Stewart is already rated a 5 Star by ESPN. In my opinion, Stewart is light years ahead of both, and should be the future


He's also a highly rated baseball prospect and may not every spend a day on campus because of that.

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I highly doubt you were disappointed in what Sherman was doing at the end of 2010 when he was also a .500 coach.


...because he'd gone 9-4 the year before. If he'd gone 9-4 this year he would still have his job. Instead, while returning almost all our starters, he went 6-6.
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How many wins does Sumlin need in his first 3 seasons?


He definitely needs to make bowl games. And he needs to not inexplicably regress like Sherman did. It's stupid to put a number on wins, but I'm guessing if he wins at least 20 games he should be fine job wise.

I get the reservations about the system, but I'm willing to wait and see what he puts out there before judging that.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4337 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:38 pm to
Looks like the Oakland Raiders just hired our DL Coach, Terrell Williams.

Time to find a DL Coach with Louisiana/Mississippi Ties
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62985 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:40 pm to
That's not good, makes sense with Dennis Allen there though.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:46 pm to
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to have anything negative or critical to say about Sumlin.

Are you allowed to not like an offensive scheme? Or a defensive scheme? Are you allowed to not like a recruiting style?

I don't like the 5 wide spread. I liked Sherman's offense. It finished in the top 10 in total offense twice in four years(09 and 11). Each of those years Houston's offense was number one in the country. The difference in my opinion? Talent, for one, but also time of possession, and running the ball. Houston ran the ball 500 less times than A&M each of those years. Coincidentally, A&M's offense compared to Houston's quite well in many more areas, even though it ran the ball almost 1000 more times.

1st downs.
Houston. 1st in the nation twice.
A&M. 2nd and 3rd.

3rd down conversions.
Houston. 5th and 2nd.
A&M. 2nd and 7th.

3rd down conversion percentage.
Houston. 5th and 7th.
A&M. 3rd and 9th.

The difference? Time of possession. Houston ranked in the bottom 10 each of those years, A&M in the middle of the pack. I would prefer an offense that performs similarly, runs the ball far more, eats up more time on the clock.

I like the 3-4. I think it allows you to put two great outside pass rushers. In 2010, I watched Sherman hold Nebraska, and OU to season lows, Arkansas only scored less against against Alabama.

I also liked Sherman's offensive line recruiting. There was a heavy heavy heavy emphasis on big uglies. I like that. Losing Michael Wilson was a bad blow.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62985 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:51 pm to
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I don't like the 5 wide spread


I wasn't aware we were running this

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In 2010, I watched Sherman hold Nebraska, and OU to season lows, Arkansas only scored less against against Alabama.


In 2011 I watched us get shredded in virtually every real game we played

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Losing Michael Wilson was a bad blow.


Except it wasn't really. He was at best the 3rd best O-Lineman we had committed.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:23 pm to
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Managed to beat OU, Nebraska, and tu all in the same season. Something that hadn't happened since Colorado did it on the way to a National Title.


Poor measure. When you only play one of those teams twice every four years, it's a poor indicator.

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Trey Williams


If you're going to claim that anyone who committed to A&M before November of 2007 is a Sherman recruit, then Trey Williams is a Sumlin recruit.

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Also outreaching to many Mississippi JUCOs
Didn't land a single one.

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He spearheaded and donated a million dollars to our new player development center, kick starting the desperate renewal of our facilities.


Fran did that too.

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A freshman wide receiver cramped out of his break on an easy third down conversion, and the same receiver fumbled the ball after running 50 yards down the middle of the field, erasing field goal position for a game decided by one point.


Kenric McNeal was a junior last season. But don't let facts get in the way of a load of bullshite.

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Mike Sherman wasn't the greatest head coach of all time, but he was building a program the right way, he was recruiting great talent, and he will be unfairly judged for the mistakes made by his teams.


9 double digit second half leads blown in four seasons. That's all that needs to be said.

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My belief, until I see otherwise, is that Kevin Sumlin will be a disastrous failure. I think his offense is dumb and he hasn't recruited well.


Hasn't recruited well? You lose any and all credibility here. Just because he didn't retain Sherman's grade risks (which wouldn't have been able to sign regardless), doesn't mean he can't recruit.

Sumlin landed 5 four-stars that Sherman couldn't.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:27 pm to
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TeLeFaWx


You might want to look up what Green Bay did when Sherman was the head coach. Here's some excellent milestones:

-First playoff home loss at Lambeau
-"4th and 26"
-Numerous third and fourth quarter collapses

As offensive coordinator of Houston, his offenses routinely fell apart in the third quarter.

Anyone who followed Sherman wondered WTF A&M was thinking hiring him as head coach.
Posted by txhog12
Member since Jan 2012
67 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:51 pm to
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I like how these Big 12 loyalists hate on the SEC and say Okie Lite deserved to be in the NC one minute, and claim that the Big 12 was better top to bottom than the SEC last season... and then they turn around and say that the SEC is SUCH a step up from Big 12 competition that A&M will struggle to win 1-2 conference games in most seasons.


THIS.

Although I will say that a few years ago I heard this same argument from my Aggie friends, and now suddenly everyone agrees the SEC is the best conference.

UT is talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Or (correct me, LSU fans) talking out the side of their neck... Did I do it right?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62985 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:54 pm to
A few years ago means a few less SEC national championships in a row, just saying, though I'm sure there are a few fans who immediately switched their views when we switched conferences.
Posted by txhog12
Member since Jan 2012
67 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:05 pm to
Good point. Must admit, it's much easier to be an AR / SEC fan in TX now than it was 2 or 3 years ago when EVERYBODY rolled their eyes as soon as "SEC" came out of my mouth. Now it's only TCU fans that do that. :workingtokeepstraightface:

I think the A&M / Mizzou change has helped the SEC brand in TX more than most people realize. It certainly opened up the discussion, at least, whereas before nobody in TX would even hear it. They just all assumed TX was better at football, period. "SEC cheats, SEC schools are academically embarrassing, SEC players are all paid" etc.

Don't hear that as much anymore.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
55456 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:06 pm to
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but is there more energy, discussion, and excitement with A&M than Texas?



Texas has been top dog in the state for most of a century. Do you really think A&M joining the SEC would just suddenly shift the discussion to a program that has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and has been pretty underwhelming for most of its history (given its resources)?

Football fans in Texas are interested to see the Aggies compete in the SEC. However, they aren't in complete awe of the fact that the SEC is now in Texas. Remember, this isn't Mississippi or Alabama. There are multiple professional teams in every sport here. While the SEC is undoubtedly the best conference, most SEC fans tend to overestimate its luster in other (non-traditional SEC) states.

Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62985 posts
Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:14 pm to
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SEC schools are academically embarrassing


There have been some interesting threads on our fan sites about how, especially now with A&M and Mizzou in the conference, the SEC is superior academically to the Big 12 by a pretty wide margin

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SEC players are all paid


I always heard this and laughed as well considering the extensive stories (and ESPN documentaries) detailing the paying of college players in Texas
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