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Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:32 am to txhog12
Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:32 am to txhog12
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and everyone at A&M or Mizzou is intellectually superior to the rest of us
Again, all in response to idiot rivals who happen to both be AAU schools (Texas and Kansas).
The hope is that, by adding A&M and Missouri, and the fact that the SEC Universities share research projects, that we can bring all of the SEC schools up to our level and quash all of this academic superiority BS once and for all...except the Mississippi schools. There's no hope for them.
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:44 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Numbers like that are why I think mixing academics and athletics in these discussions is pretty dumb.
Texas and Georgia Tech are both very good schools, 2 of the best public schools in the country, yet they have very low grad rates. There's some other solid schools on there as well. Nobody really gives much of a shite about athletes getting an education.
True, but this doesn't stop these same arrogant elitist fanbases from using poor athletic program graduation rates against an SEC school when they're on the list. When it's a Georgia Tech or Texas on the list, it should be overlooked but when it's an SEC school on the list it's supposed to be an indictment of the entire school.
As for AAU membership, I'm just not that impressed by it. I realize it's considered prestigious and I don't blame grads of AAU schools for bragging about it though. I just look at some of the schools that have been members for decades and some of the schools that still aren't or just recently joined and get the impression that there is a highly political, good ole boy aspect to the organization. I'll use the state of Georgia as an example. How is a very solid school like Georgia STILL not an AAU member or how did it take until 2010 for Georgia Tech to finally get invited in? There is no way on earth anyone can convince me that these 2 schools aren't at least as good academically as AAU members like Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, etc.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 10:36 am to Govt Tide
Technically, Nebraska is no longer an AAU school.
Much of it has to do with research, so schools like Notre Dame, who are very student-focused, are not AAU schools even though they are very prestigious.
Much of it has to do with research, so schools like Notre Dame, who are very student-focused, are not AAU schools even though they are very prestigious.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:26 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I understand there is a research aspect to it but what other factors are considered. The University of Alabama's medical school (UAB), for example, draws research dollars on a level that dwarfs many current AAU member institution's overall research totals yet I doubt the AAU would bother giving them the time of day. The criteria for membership just seems arbitrary and discriminatory especially against public institutions in the Deep South.
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:31 am to Govt Tide
Up at Mizzou we can relate to the backlash A&M is feeling from other institutions in-state. Southeast Missouri State and St.Louis University are, like, umm, totally jealous and stuff. The UMKC Kangaroos are hoppin' mad. And don't get me started on the reaction from Missouri Western State College! We are trying our best to maintain good relations with those behemoths of the college sporting landscape, but times are hard.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:50 am to Govt Tide
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I understand there is a research aspect to it but what other factors are considered. The University of Alabama's medical school (UAB), for example, draws research dollars on a level that dwarfs many current AAU member institution's overall research totals yet I doubt the AAU would bother giving them the time of day. The criteria for membership just seems arbitrary and discriminatory especially against public institutions in the Deep South.
That's another reason that adding A&M and Missouri helps. We, in addition to Florida and Vanderbilt, can lobby for the schools that are on the cusp (Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee) for membership. I'm pretty sure that only the gay cows would object.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 12:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I can't believe that SEC or fans of any other conference give a shite about academic standards. I mean take a look at the academics of those who get the schollies. Schools like Stanford & ND are the exception and maybe a few others, but the rest of us need to forget about it. It has nothing to do with why you are a fan. It has nothing to do with your team's performance. And it damn sure has nothing to do with fans & alums who donate to their school's athletic foundations. The only thing that matters is winning - all the academic talk is nothing but mental masturbation for those who want to put down another.
Jadeveon Clowney is a perfect example. How did this guy get into SC with his grades? Even his high school coach was surprised. Why did Spurrier go the the SC admin to get them to lower entrance standards for athletes? Because he wanted to compete.
In general, college football and academic excellence at your favorite school only have the campus in common. Hell, I wonder how many posters on this board even attended the university that they are supporting. I guarantee you that the bama teabag guy isn't overly concerned with bama's academic credentials.
Jadeveon Clowney is a perfect example. How did this guy get into SC with his grades? Even his high school coach was surprised. Why did Spurrier go the the SC admin to get them to lower entrance standards for athletes? Because he wanted to compete.
In general, college football and academic excellence at your favorite school only have the campus in common. Hell, I wonder how many posters on this board even attended the university that they are supporting. I guarantee you that the bama teabag guy isn't overly concerned with bama's academic credentials.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 12:42 pm to Big12fan
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Jadeveon Clowney is a perfect example.
A fan of the school that produced Jamaal Charles and Vince "6 on the wunderlic" Young has no room to talk.
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Hell, I wonder how many posters on this board even attended the university that they are supporting.
A&M class of 2000 here. You'll probably find that the majority of A&M posters are either students or former students. Back when I was in school, WE were ranked as the #1 public school in Texas.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 12:48 pm to Big12fan
I understand what you’re saying, but it really only applies to t-shirt fans. I didn’t chose Arkansas because the football team was winning (believe me; they weren’t winning at that time). I made my decision to attend Arkansas based on what was important to me at that time – girls.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 1:03 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
"Hell, I wonder how many posters on this board even attended the university that they are supporting."
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I will cop to the fact that despite being a rabid and diehard Mizzou supporter before, during, and after my college experience, I am actually a (gasp) Vanderbilt grad. So yeah, while in some instances people attend and graduate from a school and become fans in the process, the college decisions people make due to academics do not always correlate to where their heart lies on the college sports scene. I grew up in Columbia, Missouri literally a few blocks away from the football stadium, came from a family full of Mizzou grads (my grandad was instrumental in the establishment of the medical school at Mizzou) and never missed a home game and followed the Tigers on the road to countless venues.
When I got accepted to Vanderbilt and had the opportunity to go there, I had to take it because academically it was just far and away better both in quality and reputation than my hometown university and that decision has opened many doors for me jobwise since. But I never stopped being a Mizzou fan first, foremost and basically only while at Vandy and I'm not going to stop now either even though in the SEC East. Sure I would wish Vandy well and attend games while there, but let's face it Vandy has historically done a HORRIBLE job of selling its athletic program and if anything has usually prided itself on NOT being a place that is focused on athletics. Frankly that was part of what made it a more comfortable decision for me to go there - if Vandy as an institution didn't care enough to even have an athletic department, why should I feel bad about continuining to pledge my fan allegiance to my hometown university instead? And I knew several kids there who came from states in SEC country like Alabama and Georgia and such that similarly maintained their allegiance to their home state universities of choice when it came to SEC sports.
So I don't think a place being one's alma mater has to be the end all, be all of college sports fandom. For me, Mizzou is my family, bloodlines, my home, literally my backyard, and hence a truly powerful emotional connection. Vandy was an academic and career decision, and it advertises itself to prospective students as such. I'm sure there are kids who grow up in the West End in the shadow of the Vandy campus who have a true emotional connection to the 'Dores. Good for them. I don't. And unlike Texas A&M, which does a great job of indoctrinating new students with the school's athletic traditions and doing various things to make them feel a part of the family, Vandy frankly never really tried to get my fandom. So they don't have it.
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I will cop to the fact that despite being a rabid and diehard Mizzou supporter before, during, and after my college experience, I am actually a (gasp) Vanderbilt grad. So yeah, while in some instances people attend and graduate from a school and become fans in the process, the college decisions people make due to academics do not always correlate to where their heart lies on the college sports scene. I grew up in Columbia, Missouri literally a few blocks away from the football stadium, came from a family full of Mizzou grads (my grandad was instrumental in the establishment of the medical school at Mizzou) and never missed a home game and followed the Tigers on the road to countless venues.
When I got accepted to Vanderbilt and had the opportunity to go there, I had to take it because academically it was just far and away better both in quality and reputation than my hometown university and that decision has opened many doors for me jobwise since. But I never stopped being a Mizzou fan first, foremost and basically only while at Vandy and I'm not going to stop now either even though in the SEC East. Sure I would wish Vandy well and attend games while there, but let's face it Vandy has historically done a HORRIBLE job of selling its athletic program and if anything has usually prided itself on NOT being a place that is focused on athletics. Frankly that was part of what made it a more comfortable decision for me to go there - if Vandy as an institution didn't care enough to even have an athletic department, why should I feel bad about continuining to pledge my fan allegiance to my hometown university instead? And I knew several kids there who came from states in SEC country like Alabama and Georgia and such that similarly maintained their allegiance to their home state universities of choice when it came to SEC sports.
So I don't think a place being one's alma mater has to be the end all, be all of college sports fandom. For me, Mizzou is my family, bloodlines, my home, literally my backyard, and hence a truly powerful emotional connection. Vandy was an academic and career decision, and it advertises itself to prospective students as such. I'm sure there are kids who grow up in the West End in the shadow of the Vandy campus who have a true emotional connection to the 'Dores. Good for them. I don't. And unlike Texas A&M, which does a great job of indoctrinating new students with the school's athletic traditions and doing various things to make them feel a part of the family, Vandy frankly never really tried to get my fandom. So they don't have it.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 1:53 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
One of my lifelong childhood friends that I've known since I was 5 had the same experience as you. He ended up going to Vandy for undergrad and then got his MBA at Virginia but couldn't give 2 s#### about either school's athletic teams. He's a Alabama football and basketball fans and his loyalty never wavered the whole time. I have a couple of friends that went to Auburn that are the same way. They enjoyed their time their as students but remained die hard Alabama fans. One went to Auburn but chooses to live in Tuscaloosa instead.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 2:01 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Texas, Baylor and Tech fans will all be tuned in to our games on TV to root against us. That's definitely certain. It will be interesting to see how the SEC is covered once the season starts, especially in Houston where there's so many LSU fans as well.
they are going to be interested
if A&M gets plowed they'll say "see! shouldn't have left! you'll never succeed!"
if A&M and Missouri have some success they will talk about how this shows the Big 12 is as good as or even better than the SEC
Posted on 2/14/12 at 2:02 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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A fan of the school that produced Jamaal Charles and Vince "6 on the wunderlic" Young has no room to talk.
Please read again. I made no exceptions except for a few. UT was not one of them. Hell I had classes with a ball player or two. I know how that crap works. You do notice that there is a no message board for "academic accomplishments" anywhere on this site. My point is that nobody really gives a shite about that crap here or elsewhere.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 2:06 pm to Govt Tide
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I understand there is a research aspect to it but what other factors are considered. The University of Alabama's medical school (UAB), for example, draws research dollars on a level that dwarfs many current AAU member institution's overall research totals yet I doubt the AAU would bother giving them the time of day. The criteria for membership just seems arbitrary and discriminatory especially against public institutions in the Deep South.
Well the AAU seems like the only thing that really would make a difference as far as atheltic conference. At the end of the day, most of us our public schools, and our graduates pay in-state tuition. That much won't really change.
I had no idea, until conference realignment what the AAU was, and I really don't care.
At the end of the day, my school is academically superior to yours. While I don't play football, and can't root on National Championships at the pace of the New York Yankees, I can take pride in the fact that my education was WAY better than yours. How does that affect you? It shouldn't. Just like I don't give two shits about a diploma I didn't receive. But I do know mine is better, and that does make me happy.
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