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re: A&M and LSU better be matched. 125 yr old 63-game cross border rivalry.

Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:14 pm to
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- LSU must have Arkansas or Oklahoma for Thanksgiving



For the sake of argument you could have LSU play Oklahoma half of the time and Arkansas the other half. Missouri and Oklahoma or Missouri and Arkansas could play the alternating Thanksgiving games since both are without their traditional thanksgiving opponents (Kansas and Oklahoma State)
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:19 pm to
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Why would A&M be paired with Oklahoma? That also does not make sense

I was just using the speculation above to fill in the chart.. but if you want me to speculate as to why it might be true..

Someone has to play Oklahoma.

Alabama - Auburn + Tennessee = nope

Auburn - Alabama + Georgia = nope

Georgia - Florida + Auburn = nope

Tennessee wanted Vanderbilt, Alabama & Kentucky = they are full

LSU got paired with Arkansas then wanted Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Auburn and the A&M. Too far down the list so they filled up.

Florida wanted Georgia, LSU & South Carolina = they are full

A&M is next in line.


Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
19489 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:28 pm to
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For the sake of argument you could have LSU play Oklahoma half of the time and Arkansas the other half. Missouri and Oklahoma or Missouri and Arkansas could play the alternating Thanksgiving games since both are without their traditional thanksgiving opponents (Kansas and Oklahoma State)

Valid argument, but maybe the SEC office knows that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are likely to renew Bedlam when Oklahoma State doesn't already have 3 scheduled non-conference opponents. Perhaps they know that Kansas and Mizzou will be renewing as well. Perhaps they just don't like the idea as there is a potential problem with rotating opponents..

Year 1 - LSU vs Arkansas in Baton Rouge, Oklahoma vs Mizzou in Norman
Year 2 - LSU vs Oklahoma in Norman, Mizzou vs Arkansas in Columbia
Year 3 - LSU vs Arkansas in Fayetteville, Oklahoma vs Mizzou in Columbia
Year 4 - LSU vs Oklahoma in Baton Rouge, Arkansas vs Mizzou in Fayetteville

Perhaps 1 of these teams wasn't okay with going on the road for 2 straight Thanksgivings..

I'm just speculating.. but I do think it's possible the speculation above about Mizzou, Oklahoma, A&M and Texas schedules might be accurate.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:32 pm to
I’d rather play Texas or OU which are more meaningful programs.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36986 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:45 pm to
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Year 1 - LSU vs Arkansas in Baton Rouge, Oklahoma vs Mizzou in Norman
Year 2 - LSU vs Oklahoma in Norman, Mizzou vs Arkansas in Columbia
Year 3 - LSU vs Arkansas in Fayetteville, Oklahoma vs Mizzou in Columbia
Year 4 - LSU vs Oklahoma in Baton Rouge, Arkansas vs Mizzou in Fayetteville



Setting everything else aside you made it too complicated not completing the home and away on consecutive years. Notice Arkansas is on the road two years in a row and then home two years in a row?
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:57 pm to
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Setting everything else aside you made it too complicated not completing the home and away on consecutive years. Notice Arkansas is on the road two years in a row and then home two years in a row?

Yes, that is the problem with rotating opponents that I mentioned above, but I guess I wasn't clear.

The SEC said that you will play all 15 teams at least once every 2 years.. so you will play the same non-perm teams in Years 1 & 3 or 2 & 4.

There are advantages and disadvantages both ways, but I wish they had chosen the option to do a home and home and them switch to the other team.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2700 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:08 pm to
I don’t see the league keeping four teams in a rotation the final weekend. If OU and Missouri get paired up for that final weekend, they would be free to resume playing their Big XII rivals instead, as long as they acted in concert.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10452 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:09 pm to
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that leaves Arkansas out in the cold holding their dicks


oh well
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
19489 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:16 pm to
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I don’t see the league keeping four teams in a rotation the final weekend. If OU and Missouri get paired up for that final weekend, they would be free to resume playing their Big XII rivals instead, as long as they acted in concert.

Agreed. I think this is why they likely get paired together.
Posted by JJxvi
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
461 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:23 pm to
Hmm, I hadn't considered the rivalry week thing limiting the scheduling options. Missouri and Oklahoma should be paired then, because they are the two teams have their traditional games that could be resumed. The conference may do LSU-Oklahoma like I think is happening this year, but Bedlam could easily return.

That means that LSU by default should go back to being paired with Arkansas.

That leaves something like this:
Alabama: Auburn, Tennessee, Miss State
Arkansas: Texas, LSU, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, Auburn, South Carolina
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina
LSU: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Ole Miss: Miss State, LSU, Oklahoma
Miss State: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Missouri: Oklahoma, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Oklahoma: Texas, Missouri, Ole Miss
South Carolina: Georgia, Florida, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
Texas: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Texas A&M: Texas, LSU, Miss State
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 5:24 pm
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
19489 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:41 pm to

The SEC office won’t give LSU perms of Arkansas, A&M and Ole Miss (no Big 6) They will have at least 1.

LSU will want Ole Miss.. so things might get a little dicey around here..

At least a 50% chance that LSU gets:
P1 Arkansas
P2 Ole Miss
P3 Alabama/Florida
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 5:43 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36986 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 5:47 pm to
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Setting everything else aside you made it too complicated not completing the home and away on consecutive years. Notice Arkansas is on the road two years in a row and then home two years in a row?

Yes, that is the problem with rotating opponents that I mentioned above, but I guess I wasn't clear



I don't think agree. Provided:
1. Three fixed opponents
2. Six rotating opponents you play for a home and away
3. Followed by the remaining six opponents that you played in the following two years (to complete the four year cycle)

For each of the teams the only essential issue is trivial. Your rotating teams (played on Thanksgiving) are just not in the same group of six.

For example

Arkansas:
Year 1&2 Play six rotating conference teams including LSU
Year 3&4: Play six rotating teams including Missouri

Missouri
Year 1&2: Play six rotating teams including Oklahoma
Year 3&4: Play six rotating teams including Arkansas

LSU:
Year1&2: Play six rotating teams including Arkansas
Year 3&4 Play six rotating teams including Oklahoma

You need your six rotating teams to always be three home and three away for purposes of schedule balance. The uneven part of the schedule comes most from the three fixed opponents of whom two are home or away on alternating years - unless, for example, you are Georgia and Florida who will always have an equal number of home and away because of the neutral cocktail party
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:00 pm to
Bama, A&M, & Ole Piss
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
19489 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:12 pm to
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unless, for example, you are Georgia and Florida who will always have an equal number of home and away because of the neutral cocktail party

Texas and Oklahoma fall into this group as well..

As for your rotating opponents..



Link: SEC Announcement on 9 Games

Because of this, rotating becomes very complicated..
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10452 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:32 pm to
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LSU must have Arkansas or Oklahoma for Thanksgiving.


but why?

Florida, Kentucky, Georgia, So Carolina all play non-conference games the week of Thanksgiving.
so why do we have to force one within the conference?

I don't have a specific answer at this moment, but it does not HAVE TO be Arkansas or Oklahoma.

We've played
Florida every year since 1953
Alabama every year since 1964
Ole Miss every year since 1945

why should we have to give that up for Oklahoma and the whopping 4 times ever that we've played them?

the former SWC/BigXII schools wanting to come over started this bullshite. so y'all can have a cute lil round robin amongst yourselves





Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
19489 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:54 pm to
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but why?

I'm giving you my opinion

I'm not telling you how it is..

I'm trying to look at it from the SEC Offices perspective..

12 teams have Thanksgiving matchups

4 teams do not.. 0 2 or 4 of those teams go OOC.. whoever's left plays on that day.. that's my thought process..

So if LSU wants to play OOC on Thanksgiving because they don't want to play Arkansas or Oklahoma, then I suggest you find a travel partner for one of Arkansas, Oklahoma or Missouri.

quote:

why should we have to give that up for Oklahoma and the whopping 4 times ever that we've played them?

I get what you're saying.. this has nothing to do with what I want or what I want for Texas or anything else.. I've viewed this as a giant puzzle since 2021.. and while the puzzle has gotten better since then, there simply isn't a perfect solution.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

One last thing. If Alabama vs LSU isn't played each year, then imo it is for 1 reason and 1 reason only.

Alabama didn't want to play against 3 Big 6 opponents as their permanent rivals each year..

It has nothing to do with anyone else.. So ask them..

As for the round robin you speak of.. I'd prefer to play Tennessee or LSU each year.. guess what, no one cares about that request.. We are all playing each other because no one else wants to play us
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9008 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:04 pm to
I’d be shocked if 2 of LSUs permanent opponents are not Ole Miss and aTm
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9008 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:05 pm to
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You guys are the only ones that drink as much as us,


But we are drinking bourbon and beer not…you know…. The stuff in those jars.
Posted by FAT SEXY
California
Member since Jun 2020
1159 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:10 pm to
It's actually pretty interesting that LSU has so much history in The Lone Star State, specifically with TAMU and Rice.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
76814 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:35 pm to
If A&M hadn’t backed out of the contract in the 90’s it would be a more heated rivalry.
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