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re: #22 Arkansas-75 vs. Mississippi State-78 Final
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:45 am to skirpnasty
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:45 am to skirpnasty
quote:I love how people use this like Arkansas doesn't attack the rim. We shot over 50% from the floor and average the same on the season. We're not some team that just stands around the perimeter shooting jumpers. 11 free throws earned for this team is a joke. We fouled out 4 of Tennessee's players and that is not a bad defensive team. The game wasn't called well. Fans from your own fanbase have acknowledged this. Saying otherwise is just delusion and bias.
We attacked the rim and abused the press often.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 9:53 am
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Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:53 am to Drewbie
Just as an FYI, Arkansas averages 20.4 fouls per game and MSU averages 14.5.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 9:54 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:54 am to Drewbie
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I love how people use this like Arkansas doesn't attack the rim. We shot over 50% from the floor and average the same on the season. We're not some team that just stands around the perimeter shooting jumpers. 12 free throws earned for this team is a joke. We fouled out 4 of Tennessee's players and that is not a bad defensive team.
I'm not saying you do those things, you're missing my point. Arkansas is very aggressive on defense, obviously, you pride yourselves on 40 minutes of it. We took advantage of that by attacking the rim and drawing fouls. Go back and look at the stats, look how few assists we had, look who scored our points and how they scored them. Guards driving and drawing fouls or hitting layups.
Saying Arkansas also attacks the basket is beside the point, you aren't playing against the same style of defense.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:57 am to PearlJam
quote:That's an indication of pace, not discipline. Arkansas' foul numbers are inflated because they push the pace and force more possessions per game thus more fouls/points/shots/etc.. MSU plays slow as molasses if at all possible so obviously their games are going to have less possessions/shots/fouls/etc.
Just as an FYI, Arkansas averages 20.4 fouls per game and MSU averages 14.5.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:00 am to skirpnasty
quote:You shot 42% from the floor. You didn't hit much of anything. Go look at the numbers I posted earlier. Arkansas lead in nearly every statistical category on the court. The refs impacted that game more than they should have. You will never convince me MSU went that entire game the way it was played and only committed 5 shooting fouls. Arkansas took 62 shots and only 15 were 3's. That's 47 shots inside the arc and MSU only fouled on 5 of them? Nah.
Guards driving and drawing fouls or hitting layups.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:07 am to Drewbie
I didn't say it was a indication of discipline. It is a raw number. In my opinion it indicates a difference in style (and yes pace), which can explain, at least partially, the free throw discrepancy.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:15 am to Drewbie
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You shot 42% from the floor. You didn't hit much of anything. Go look at the numbers I posted earlier. Arkansas lead in nearly every statistical category on the court. The refs impacted that game more than they should have. You will never convince me MSU went that entire game the way it was played and only committed 5 shooting fouls.
Dude, use your brain. You're driving into an aggressive defender and drawing fouls, it isn't a high % shot if you're getting fouled. Our % was actually worse until late in the game when you had to stop pressuring the guards so much.
You know where Arkansas didn't lead? Statistics that are absolutely critical to beating the press. Turnovers, free throws, offensive boards.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:16 am to skirpnasty
quote:MSU took 6 more 3's than Arkansas did and took less total shot attempts. Who really was the jump shooting team?
You're driving into an aggressive defender and drawing fouls
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:17 am to Drewbie
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I love how people use this like Arkansas doesn't attack the rim. We shot over 50% from the floor and average the same on the season. We're not some team that just stands around the perimeter shooting jumpers.
By the way, you actually did shoot a ton of jumpers last night. State doesn't give up the inside, it's why teams don't shoot the ball well against us.
Arkansas couldn't have asked to shoot the ball better than they did last night.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:17 am to Drewbie
quote:Because they got fouled on so many possessions.
took less total shot attempts.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:19 am to Drewbie
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MSU took 6 more 3's than Arkansas did and took less total shot attempts. Who really was the jump shooting team?
Playing a press. Yes you want to abuse it and drive to the basket but you have to kick it out and run offense some too. We took too many 3 balls and didn't shoot them well, but they still serve the purpose of making you defend them.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:21 am to Drewbie
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MSU took 6 more 3's than Arkansas did and took less total shot attempts. Who really was the jump shooting team?
In the last 2 minutes... I would have to say Miss State. I will say those were some nice shoes Macon was walking around in though.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:28 am to Drewbie
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Arkansas took 62 shots and only 15 were 3's. That's 47 shots inside the arc and MSU only fouled on 5 of them? Nah.
You took 25 jumpers in the first half.
ETA: Arkansas took 49 jumpers. Almost as many shots as State took in total.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:28 am to Drewbie
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Yeah, no. 40-12 is the refs having a direct 28 point impact on the game. That should absolutely never happen.
Agreed, take it up with your coach
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Not even remotely close to what I said. Nice strawman.
Re read what you posted and grow a set, stand behind your insinuations.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:08 am to cave canem
Y'all just reminded why I don't watch CBB until March Madness. I actually tuned in for a few minutes starting in the 2nd half and after a foul every 3 or 4 seconds, I went to bed. Rather watch paint dry (or sleep).
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:10 am to Diamondawg
You should have stuck with it. It was a really entertaining game.
quote:Makes sense coming from a college baseball fan.
Rather watch paint dry (or sleep).
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:47 am to cave canem
Maybe if Arkansas wasn't poor they could have paid the refs more than we did. But the bank account gets a bit low when you continuously have to pay the buyouts of shitty football coaches
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
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Maybe if Arkansas wasn't poor they could have paid the refs more than we did. But the bank account gets a bit low when you continuously have to pay the buyouts of shitty football coaches
At least we fire coaches instead of them walking away from our shitty program.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:27 pm to PearlJam
Mike Anderson has to start demanding respect from these refs, he’s too damn soft on them.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:33 pm to deltaland
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Maybe if Arkansas wasn't poor
From a State fan? Really?
Come on now.
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