re: 2020 US News Best National Universities

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Too many of these Universities are chasing these list and selling their souls. Bama and Auburn are perfect examples, catering to the out of student and ignoring their mission to the state citizens who built the schools.

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Call me crazy, but I think state schools should educate in-state kids. LSU has so much work to do academically, but I don't want to see admission for Louisiana kids to become as difficult as it is for in-state applicants to UF & UGA.

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Auburn DOES have a nice campus, but it is not nationally recognized as having one of the prettiest in the nation.


This is such insufferable homerism. You love Bama. You hate Auburn. Auburn has a nice campus. Just leave at that and STFU. Your school comparison to Bama obsession has gotten absurd.

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Just keeping it real. I did not say anything negative about Auburn till some members of its cult started disparaging my school. And I don't hate Auburn. But Auburn folks do tend to hate UA. I fight back with facts.

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You are seriously nuts! 1) Auburn has had the higher in state tuition rates for years. Please check each school's website if you doubt me. 2) Alabama alumni are upset about what? Yes, many have been concerned that UA went too far in recruiting OOS and forgot about the in state students. Thus, the school is now focusing on increasing in-state enrollment. The scholarships can not be pulled like a rug from under someone, unless that student fails to keep his or her GPA up. 3) I AM looking at it from a taxpayers' view. The state of Alabama should kiss Robert Witt's arse for his vision of bringing huge numbers of OOS to UA, for a big chunk of these students pay much much more in tuition than in state students do. Again, thanks to the huge number of OOS, UA can afford to offer in state students a financial break, while competitors like Auburn keep raising in state tuition rates.

By the way, when will Auburn bring its percentage of African American students to that of UA? We wouldn't want to stand in the way of "diversity" would we?

The truth is that you, like a lot of people in the cult, are jealous of UA's ability to attract so many top students from out of state. Auburn would do well to try to copy UA's model, even though it does not have the campus and tradition to achieve what UA has, because its non-current liabilities are higher than UA's. See the latest financial reports from each school. LINK vs. LINK

And that is despite the fact that UA has larger assets and a much larger student body.

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After freezing the tuition at Bama the last two year the difference in tuition is $11300 per year at AU and $10600 at Bama. But they do not tell you is Bama required Freshman to live on campus and they make up the difference that way.

What idiots like you (my guess is you are from another state) do not want to admit is all these out of state students are using the institutions that were built by Alabamians for generations to get an education , then they leave the state never to return (minus a few football weekends). They provide zero take base and have driven up the cost of education for the citizens. At least when an instate student leaves after graduation, the Universities are at least providing a better life for its citizens.
Whitt has made UA the next University of Phoenix and some people with Bama roots are not happy. This is a bill that is being pushed to the state Legislators to try an get it under control:

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Higher Education Funding of 4-year Colleges, Out of State Student Caps
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This bill would require all 4-year Colleges in Alabama to cap out of state student total enrollment to a maximum of 20% by the 5th year from the date of the passage of this bill. Failure to meet this cap would result in a corresponding percentage reduction over the established benchmark (20%) being reduced from the following years school Education Trust Fund budget, These forfeited funds, as a result of the failure to achieve Legislative requirements, would be transferred to the Education Trust Fund budget to be used for Primary and Secondary Education funding. These funds are restricted for that use only and must be obligated. This would be an annual requirement until rescinded by the State Legislature.
The purpose or effect of this bill would be to assure state appropriated funds for education are being maximized for the citizens of the State of Alabama and to ensure State Funded Institutions are primarily serving the citizens of Alabama. The secondary purpose of this bill is to increase Primary and Secondary education funding in order increase the qualifications of Alabama students for future enrollment in Higher Education Institutions.

both alabama and auburn have a lot more bollards than i've seen on other campuses

#TwinsSeparatedAtBirth

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You are seriously nuts! 1) Auburn has had the higher in state tuition rates for years. Please check each school's website if you doubt me. 2) Alabama alumni are upset about what? Yes, many have been concerned that UA went too far in recruiting OOS and forgot about the in state students. Thus, the school is now focusing on increasing in-state enrollment. The scholarships can not be pulled like a rug from under someone, unless that student fails to keep his or her GPA up. 3) I AM looking at it from a taxpayers' view. The state of Alabama should kiss Robert Witt's arse for his vision of bringing huge numbers of OOS to UA, for a big chunk of these students pay much much more in tuition than in state students do. Again, thanks to the huge number of OOS, UA can afford to offer in state students a financial break, while competitors like Auburn keep raising in state tuition rates.

By the way, when will Auburn bring its percentage of African American students to that of UA? We wouldn't want to stand in the way of "diversity" would we?

The truth is that you, like a lot of people in the cult, are jealous of UA's ability to attract so many top students from out of state. Auburn would do well to try to copy UA's model, even though it does not have the campus and tradition to achieve what UA has, because its non-current liabilities are higher than UA's. See the latest financial reports from each school. LINK vs. LINK

And that is despite the fact that UA has larger assets and a much larger student body.



After freezing the tuition at Bama the last two year the difference in tuition is $11300 per year at AU and $10600 at Bama. But they do not tell you is Bama required Freshman to live on campus and they make up the difference that way.

What idiots like you (my guess is you are from another state) do not want to admit is all these out of state students are using the institutions that were built by Alabamians for generations to get an education , then they leave the state never to return (minus a few football weekends). They provide zero take base and have driven up the cost of education for the citizens. At least when an instate student leaves after graduation, the Universities are at least providing a better life for its citizens.
Whitt has made UA the next University of Phoenix and some people with Bama roots are not happy. This is a bill that is being pushed to the state Legislators to try an get it under control:

Title
Higher Education Funding of 4-year Colleges, Out of State Student Caps
Description
This bill would require all 4-year Colleges in Alabama to cap out of state student total enrollment to a maximum of 20% by the 5th year from the date of the passage of this bill. Failure to meet this cap would result in a corresponding percentage reduction over the established benchmark (20%) being reduced from the following years school Education Trust Fund budget, These forfeited funds, as a result of the failure to achieve Legislative requirements, would be transferred to the Education Trust Fund budget to be used for Primary and Secondary Education funding. These funds are restricted for that use only and must be obligated. This would be an annual requirement until rescinded by the State Legislature.
The purpose or effect of this bill would be to assure state appropriated funds for education are being maximized for the citizens of the State of Alabama and to ensure State Funded Institutions are primarily serving the citizens of Alabama. The secondary purpose of this bill is to increase Primary and Secondary education funding in order increase the qualifications of Alabama students for future enrollment in Higher Education Institutions.

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You really are full of hatred for UA. How sad. Be proud of your school. Auburn is a great school. It has a charming campus and a great tradition. Why do you need to pretend that UA has been abusing state tax dollars? By the way, the dorms are not expensive, and there are options from higher to lower cost. Furthermore, studies show that freshman do better when required to live on campus.

Also, see the financial reports and stop projecting!

Again, those of out of state students pay much more in tuition than the in state students. They, like alumni such as Marilyn Hewson, CEO of Lockheed Martin, become alumni and contribute generously to the school. And some of them DO stay and become productive state citizens. Do you have data showing that only a tiny few do?

UA has stable finances. Relative to UA, Auburn does not. Deal with it.

alabama is about the only college that i've seen that has a chain link fence on campus

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You really are full of hatred for UA. How sad. Be proud of your school. Auburn is a great school. It has a charming campus and a great tradition. Why do you need to pretend that UA has been abusing state tax dollars? By the way, the dorms are not expensive, and there are options from higher to lower cost. Furthermore, studies show that freshman do better when required to live on campus. Also, see the financial reports and stop projecting! Again, those of out of state students pay much more in tuition than the in state students. They, like alumni such as Marilyn Hewson, CEO of Lockheed Martin, become alumni and contribute generously to the school. And some of them DO stay and become productive state citizens. Do you have data showing that only a tiny few do? UA has stable finances. Relative to UA, Auburn does not. Deal with it.

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Nice response. One woman who is a CEO is going to make up for turning their backs on the rest of the citizens. If it was just a cult of Auburn, I would counter your CEO with Tim Cook, who could buy her 5 times over. But it is not an AU vs UA issue, something someone like you can not figure out.

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re: 2020 US News Best National UniversitiesPosted on 12/23/19 at 12:40 pm to InGAButLoveBama
alabama is about the only college that i've seen that has a chain link fence on campus

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LOL, that is an old image of a fence surrounding the Bryce Lawn, a huge new addition to the campus on which the old state mental hospital sat. The fence is gone. It was there to facilitate construction.

By the way, google satellite images are not always kept up to date.

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re: 2020 US News Best National UniversitiesPosted on 12/23/19 at 2:23 pm to cdur86
Didn't AL pump up the Honors College big time?

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Not sure what you mean. But yes, it has a very large Honors College.

Put a ton of resources into the Honors College program.
Somebody high up at LSU Honors College supposedly had their child visiting AL in the last couple years and said AL was 10 years ahead of LSU.