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re: 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:54 am to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:54 am to Tuscaloosa
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You’re being obtuse. What was Saban supposed to do, other than give them the same practice reps every other receiver has gotten over the last 15 years?
You are being dishonest.
Saban is into stat building now.
He keeps his QB and WRs in games because it helps recruiting.
Kirby says recruiting is the end all be all. But he looks to shorten games to keep his guys healthy and to get "next man up" in case his number is called.
It is a philosophy difference and Saban reaps the rewards on signing day (better qb recruits and wr recruits).
Unfortunately for Saban, he has had bad evaluations recruiting WRs and has had to supplement his team's with transfers. Maybe that effects how hard the backups work (knowing that they will just get leapfrogged in the portal by the fastest receiver dejour).
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:54 am to DawginSC
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The answer to that is if your depth in reality matches the depth on paper, for a team like Alabama it SHOULDN'T be a significant impact. If Brooks/Earle/Hall (all top 50 in the nation recruits) had been competent, they should have been able to step in and do the job. they couldn't. Meanwhile for UGA... 3-star freshman AD Mitchell and 3-star RS Freshman Ladd McConkey did step in and step up when WR injuries happened.
You have to recognize that being unable to fill in at those positions is a failure on Bama's part. For another team it might be a valid excuse. But for a team that recruits like Bama it's not.
George has explained the simple differences time and time again in this thread. Its really not that difficult to understand.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:55 am to meansonny
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You are being dishonest.
Saban is into stat building now.
He keeps his QB and WRs in games because it helps recruiting.
what?
dude, simply look at last years schedules/results for both teams last year. The vast majority of UGA's games were over by halftime, and the majority of Bama's went well into the 3rd and 4th quarters.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:56 am to Funky Tide 8
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what?
You seem shocked that Bama ran over 160 more offensive plays than UGA last season. That is about 2 and a half games worth of snaps.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:56 am to DawginSC
I guess I'm just gonna start copying and pasting my previous answers
Mitchell and McConkey developed over 12 games because Pickens and Jackson were out basically the entire year. They were also not especially needed for most of that time, and that bought them time to grow and develop with game reps without a ton of pressure.
Comparing that to Alabama having to throw in Hall in the title game is silly.
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The answer to that is if your depth in reality matches the depth on paper, for a team like Alabama it SHOULDN'T be a significant impact. If Brooks/Earle/Hall (all top 50 in the nation recruits) had been competent, they should have been able to step in and do the job. they couldn't. Meanwhile for UGA... 3-star freshman AD Mitchell and 3-star RS Freshman Ladd McConkey did step in and step up when WR injuries happened.
You have to recognize that being unable to fill in at those positions is a failure on Bama's part. For another team it might be a valid excuse. But for a team that recruits like Bama it's not.
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And, let's be honest, there was zero pressure on them in September, October and November to do anything but play hard and get better. They were allowed to develop by the defensive dominance and the nature of Georgia's games played, and they did. And that's why a "team" is judged in it's entirety, because you could make an argument that Georgia's elite, consistent play in the regular season (specifically on defense) allowed guys like that to mature and get better so that when the time came when pressure WAS on, they could perform.
And they did. And that's why "injuries" aren't a legitimate excuse for winning or losing games.
Mitchell and McConkey developed over 12 games because Pickens and Jackson were out basically the entire year. They were also not especially needed for most of that time, and that bought them time to grow and develop with game reps without a ton of pressure.
Comparing that to Alabama having to throw in Hall in the title game is silly.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:57 am to Tuscaloosa
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You’re being obtuse. What was Saban supposed to do, other than give them the same practice reps every other receiver has gotten over the last 15 years?
Maybe let them play more in the games?
Why are Metchie and Williams still catching TD passes in the 4th quarter to go up 30 on Tennessee and Moo State? Wouldn’t it be better if Holden and Brooks got a few extra snaps? Seems like it would’ve been useful.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The answer to that is if your depth in reality matches the depth on paper, for a team like Alabama it SHOULDN'T be a significant impact. If Brooks/Earle/Hall (all top 50 in the nation recruits) had been competent, they should have been able to step in and do the job. they couldn't. Meanwhile for UGA... 3-star freshman AD Mitchell and 3-star RS Freshman Ladd McConkey did step in and step up when WR injuries happened. You have to recognize that being unable to fill in at those positions is a failure on Bama's part. For another team it might be a valid excuse. But for a team that recruits like Bama it's not
Sorry i didn’t see this. Glad you agree
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:00 pm to diddlydawg7
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Why are Metchie and Williams still catching TD passes in the 4th quarter to go up 30 on Tennessee and Moo State? Wouldn’t it be better if Holden and Brooks got a few extra snaps? Seems like it would’ve been useful.
Brooks shouldn't be included in this conversation. He played very good football starting with the Auburn game when he took over for Jameson after the targeting call. He made big plays against Auburn and Cincinnati and was solid against Georgia. He isn't a big play threat guy, but he's solid and got separation and caught the ball well.
The big spot is the spot that opened up after Williams went down, and that one we just didn't have an answer for.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:01 pm to NitsFan71
Look what 2021 Bama did to Georgia with both starting WR.
2019 LSU would put 60 on them.
2019 LSU would put 60 on them.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:01 pm to diddlydawg7
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Why are Metchie and Williams still catching TD passes in the 4th quarter to go up 30 on Tennessee and Moo State? Wouldn’t it be better if Holden and Brooks got a few extra snaps? Seems like it would’ve been useful.
Holden caught the last touchdown we scored against Mississippi state in the 4th quarter. Williams or Metchie didn't score any touchdowns in the 4th quarter of that game.
Metchie did catch the last touchdown against Tennessee to go up 52-24, so I'll give you that.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That dude was playing by week 3 regardless of injurie
definitely
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They were developed fantastically, but they also were forced into playing early in the year and by early January had tons of snaps under their belt.
Even if they weren’t forced into those situations, they would’ve been prepared. Probably not quite as polished, but they would’ve had a ton of playing time. Just because that’s how Kirby does it. Even if we had the two best WRs in the country he’s still make sure at least 5-6 guys see real playing time. Which is why I say Kirby outcoached Saban in ‘21
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:03 pm to Funky Tide 8
The whole "Billingsley deciding to stop caring about football" thing was a pretty big hamper on the 2021 offense, too. That is his fault and the coaches fault, but he was being counted on big time after losing all that 2020 production and he just absolutely did not give a shat.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:03 pm to NitsFan71
LSU wins 9/10 times. Maybe more.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
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dude, simply look at last years schedules/results for both teams last year. The vast majority of UGA's games were over by halftime, and the majority of Bama's went well into the 3rd and 4th quarters.
Bama ran 92 plays against Tennesseeb(28 point win). Bryce Young had 43 pass attempts.
Bama ran 77 plays against Miami (31 point win). Bryce had 38 pass attempts.
I understand your point. But it is factually wrong. Bama didn't kill clock in the big wins. Bama left Bryce out there to put up Heisman numbers and it worked.
Don't be mad about it. It helps your recruiting too.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:06 pm to diddlydawg7
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Even if they weren’t forced into those situations, they would’ve been prepared. Probably not quite as polished, but they would’ve had a ton of playing time. Just because that’s how Kirby does it. Even if we had the two best WRs in the country he’s still make sure at least 5-6 guys see real playing time. Which is why I say Kirby outcoached Saban in ‘21
I mean I think Kirby did a hell of a job in 2021. I also think we tried to play other WRs throughout the year but due to injuries (Earle) and poor attitudes (Hall) it really hampered consistent improvement from our #4-6 guys.
Hall is really the lynchpin there. He didn't do his job (blame can go around for that probably) in practice, therefore he wasn't rewarded with time in games, and therefore he wasn't ready when he needed to be in Indy.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:07 pm to remaster916
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2019 LSU would put 60 on them.
Dumb take. They couldn’t even do that to uga 2019.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:08 pm to meansonny
Tell me you didn’t watch these games without telling me. Tennessee kept coming back until late in the 4th. Bama had the backups in by the 3rd quarter of the Miami game. Neither did we “stay pad.”
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:09 pm to meansonny
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Bama ran 92 plays against Tennesseeb(28 point win). Bryce Young had 43 pass attempts.
Bama ran 77 plays against Miami (31 point win). Bryce had 38 pass attempts.
I understand your point. But it is factually wrong. Bama didn't kill clock in the big wins. Bama left Bryce out there to put up Heisman numbers and it worked.
You have mentioned the only 3 games that we blew teams out in(besides UGA in the SECCG.) The first game of the season is pretty much inconsequential to your point because the first game of the season you need to get your starters reps.
The Tennessee game was close at the end of the 3rd quarter. Doesn't do anything for your argument.
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Bama didn't kill clock in the big wins.
There were like 2 "big wins" for us last season. That is my point.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:09 pm to djsdawg
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2019 LSU would put 60 on them.
Dumb take. They couldn’t even do that to uga 2019.
It is dumb because the 2021 defense was different.
But LSU ran out the clock in the 4th quarter. Completely changed their playcalling to seal the win. They left a lot of points on the field. UGA fans need to acknowledge this.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Holden caught the last touchdown we scored against Mississippi state in the 4th quarter. Williams or Metchie didn't score any touchdown in the 4th quarter of that game. Metchie did catch the last touchdown against Tennessee to go up 52-24, so I'll give you that.
Please. Williams and Metchie combined for like 80% of Bama’s WR production.
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According to ESPN Stats and Info, entering the national title game on Monday, Alabama had run just 29 offensive plays all season without both Williams and Metchie on the field when the score was within 21
^^^^ That’s inexcusable.
There’s no reason Saban couldn’t put those younger guys in for a few extra snaps to give them some real experience. My question is why? Bama has traditionally rotated at least 4-5 WRs. Was Saban running their stats up for recruiting purposes?
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