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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:47 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:47 pm to UpToPar
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There were a few other elite players on that 2019 LSU offense. You may have heard of a few of them.
Yes there were.
But Burrow was the difference maker. The reality is that several teams have won NC's simply due to a stellar QB. Few teams have won it with a stellar overall team but no single dominant player.
UGA is in the later category. LSU's 2019 team was in the former (just like Clemson with Lawrence and Watson, FSU with Winston or Auburn with Cam). None of those are NC's without top QB's on the team.
The comparison for this UGA team is probably 2009 Bama under Greg McElroy. Maybe 2007 LSU with Matt Flynn (though I think Flynn had more NFL potential than Stetson Bennett).
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:48 pm to DawginSC
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The comparison for this UGA team is probably 2009 Bama under Greg McElroy
That's probably a pretty good one. It's hard to compare because that was pre-offense age, but I'd guess that offensive roster for Alabama in 2021 would look a lot like Georgia did. And McElroy and Stetson are pretty comparable (I'd take Stetson, though).
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Tennessee was a 7-14 pt game almost the entire game until we broke serve and picked off Hooker mid-way through the 4th qtr.
Tennessee 14-7 after 1
Alabama 21-14 after 2
Alabama 24-14 after 3
And after that Bryce threw 1 pass.
Bryce had 4 TDs against Tennessee.
2 passing and 2 rushing.
43 passing attempts.
I'm starting to think that you are wrong or dishonest.
Your 4th quarter scoring drives were 4 plays long and 5 plays. But Young was throwing and running. In all but the last one.
End of 3rd quarter drive was a rushing TD (first play of the 4th quarter) by Bryce.
Young threw 4 times on 2 separate quick strike drives (4 and 5 play drives).
The last throw was a TD to go up 52-24 with 5:01 on the clock. THEN, you run out the clock on your last possession with trey sanders.
You are up 45-24 and Young is throwing for the endzone on a drive starting with 7 and half minutes on the clock.
That is not at all like you described.
Your team is going so fast with a lead that you finish the game with 5 separate drives in the fourth quarter (4 TDs and run out the clock).
Why are Bama fans fighting the fact that Saban is different than Kirby?
It should be a point of pride (last 2 Heisman winners and better offensive recruiting. Better transfer portals).
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:59 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I'm not sure what you guys don't understand about the fact that we simply did not even have the opportunity to "pad stats" in the majority of our games. Why is this so hard.
This is just straight up not true.
Williams and Metchie were still being sent out there despite being up:
31 points on Miami
31 on Mercer
42 on Southern Miss
28 on Ole Miss
21 on Tennessee with 5 minutes left
39 on New Mexico St
And even putting all these aside, there are plenty of situations where Bama was up like 21-3 and Metchie and Williams are the only ones in the game. And you think it’s ridiculous to say that Saban should’ve let one of the other guys in for a series?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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This is being pointed out because LSU had 2 recievers better than that plus a bevy of other offensive options.
Oh Yeah and LSU had probably the greatest QB for a season in College football history "Joe Burrow" . If this game is played its a Blowout for LSU. That great 2021 UGA defense gets shredded for 50 pts.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:03 pm to djsdawg
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Dumb take. They couldn’t even do that to uga 2019.
Well once it was 34-3 in the 3rd Qtr LSU let off the gas like they did vs OU.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:03 pm to meansonny
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Bryce had 4 TDs against Tennessee.
2 passing and 2 rushing.
43 passing attempts.
I'm starting to think that you are wrong or dishonest.
Your 4th quarter scoring drivrunning. And 5 plays. But Young was throwing and running.
End of 3rd drive was a rushing TD
Young threw 4 times on 2 separate quick strike drives (4 and 5 play drives).
The last throw was a TD to go up 52-24 with 5:01 on the clock. THEN, you run out the clock on your last possession with trey sanders.
Yes, like I said, Bryce threw 1 pass once we went up 3 scores.
Bryce threw 43 passes against Tennessee. 42 of those passes were in a game where the margin at the time of the pass was Alabama either trailing or leading by 2 scores or less.
Alabama did not extend it's lead to 3 scores (the general point where a game is out of reach) until the 8:51 mark of the 4th quarter. It trailed or led by less than 3 scores for the previous 53 minutes of the game.
Once Alabama extended it's lead to 3 scores (45-24), Bryce threw only 1 more pass (a 19 yard TD pass after 4 straight runs on a drive that started at the Tennessee 30).
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That is not at all like you described.
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Tennessee was a 7-14 pt game almost the entire game until we broke serve and picked off Hooker mid-way through the 4th qtr.
It is literally exactly as I described
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Your team is going so fast with a lead that you finish the game with 5 separate drives in the fourth quarter (4 TDs and run out the clock).
We had 5 drives in the 4th because
(a) Tennessee scored a TD on a 2 play, 21 second drive
(b) We followed it with a 4 play, 1:50 drive due to a 65 yard pass play
(b) We got an interception and started a drive at the Tennessee 18
(c) We stopped Tennessee on downs and started a drive at the Tennessee 30
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
- Stetson Bennett threw 2 passes in the 4th quarter against Kentucky up 30-7
- Stetson Bennett threw 2 passes in the 4th quarter against Tennessee up 34-10
- Stetson Bennett threw 2 passes in the 4th quarter against Florida up 27-0
- Stetson Bennett threw 1 pass in the 4th quarter against Arkansas up 27-0
So, not really sure what the argument here is. Bennett played, in general, 1 drive in the 4th qtr if Georgia was up 21-28 pts. Bryce pretty much did the exact same thing. We just had far, far, far fewer games where we were up 21+ pts in the 4th qtr (and almost none where we were up 21+ the entire 4th qtr).
- Stetson Bennett threw 2 passes in the 4th quarter against Tennessee up 34-10
- Stetson Bennett threw 2 passes in the 4th quarter against Florida up 27-0
- Stetson Bennett threw 1 pass in the 4th quarter against Arkansas up 27-0
So, not really sure what the argument here is. Bennett played, in general, 1 drive in the 4th qtr if Georgia was up 21-28 pts. Bryce pretty much did the exact same thing. We just had far, far, far fewer games where we were up 21+ pts in the 4th qtr (and almost none where we were up 21+ the entire 4th qtr).
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They were up 34-3 at the end of the 3rd and scored on 7 of 10 possessions excluding the final drive when they kneeled it down.
If it wasn't for those 4 touchdowns they gave up UGA would have been right there in it! I stand corrected, LSU got lucky.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That's probably a pretty good one. It's hard to compare because that was pre-offense age, but I'd guess that offensive roster for Alabama in 2021 would look a lot like Georgia did. And McElroy and Stetson are pretty comparable (I'd take Stetson, though).
I tend to agree about the comparison being difficult due to it being before the NCAA offenses exploded. But it was the last team to do it the way UGA did in 2021. I think UGA's defense had to be more talented than Bama's in 2009 was... but equivalent when compared to the level of offensive play.
One of the fun things about this upcoming year for UGA is that I think UGA will be offensive led. The defense will still be very good and has a ton of returning talent, but we probably will allow more than one regular season opponent to reach 14 points or more (UT at 17 was the only regular season team to get to two TD's against UGA last year). Alabama in the SECCG was the only team to get to over 18 (the 18 being Bama in the NCG).
UGA had one horrible quarter last year (24 points allowed in the second quarter against Bama). That one quarter was literally more than they allowed in any other game. It was a VERY good defense.
This year will just be good. I'm interested in seeing what mismatches UGA creates on offense with passing out of heavy sets. I think it will be successful and somewhat unique.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:16 pm to FLObserver
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That great 2021 UGA defense gets shredded for 50 pts.
Dumb take. They couldn’t even do that to uga 2019.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:17 pm to DawginSC
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I think UGA's defense had to be more talented than Bama's in 2009 was... but equivalent when compared to the level of offensive play.
They absolutely were in terms of NFL talent. That 2009 Alabama defense was fantastic and played exceptional team defense, but there were still a bunch of Shula guys on that roster. Those guys were incredible leaders and did everything right, but they were some limited guys. And their lack of NFL careers/drafts proved that out.
Brandon Deaderick (DL) (7th round)
Lorenzo Washington (DL) (undrafted)
Cory Reamer (LB) (undrafted)
Eryk Anders (LB) (undrafted) (UFC fighter)
Justin Woodall (FS) (undrafted)
It also had some all-time great players on it, though, both as college players and others with long NFL careers
- Rolando McClain
- Dont'a Hightower
- Mark Barron
- Kareem Jackson
- Javier Arenas
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It is not like you described.
Your first response was 1 pass in the 4th quarter. Like he was either handing the ball off or pulled.
Up by 7 with 14:30 on the clock to start the drive. 2 passes (one for 65 yards) on a 4 play drive.
Up by 14 with 10:45 on the clock to start the drive. 1 pass and 1 rush (5 play scoring drive).
Up by 21 with 7:38 on the clock. 1 pass to the endzone (5 play scoring drive).
He accounted for 3 TDs in the 4th quarter out of 4 quick strike drives.
Like I said. Bama plays hurry up and keeps their starters in late in games to pad stats. It doesn't get much later than 5 minutes in the 4th with a 21 point lead.
Your first response was 1 pass in the 4th quarter. Like he was either handing the ball off or pulled.
Up by 7 with 14:30 on the clock to start the drive. 2 passes (one for 65 yards) on a 4 play drive.
Up by 14 with 10:45 on the clock to start the drive. 1 pass and 1 rush (5 play scoring drive).
Up by 21 with 7:38 on the clock. 1 pass to the endzone (5 play scoring drive).
He accounted for 3 TDs in the 4th quarter out of 4 quick strike drives.
Like I said. Bama plays hurry up and keeps their starters in late in games to pad stats. It doesn't get much later than 5 minutes in the 4th with a 21 point lead.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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So, not really sure what the argument here is. Bennett played, in general, 1 drive in the 4th qtr if Georgia was up 21-28 pts. Bryce pretty much did the exact same thing. We just had far, far, far fewer games where we were up 21+ pts in the 4th qtr (and almost none where we were up 21+ the entire 4th qtr).
Bennett threw 11 passes in the 4th quarter in the regular season last year.
Which does impact stats. I don't think Bama was stat padding, but I also think Bennett could have had much more impressive offensive stats if UGA were to give him more than 11 4th quarter passes last year.
And 2 of those were in a game he wasn't the starter in.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:19 pm to meansonny
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He accounted for 3 TDs in the 4th quarter out of 3 drives.
Only 1 of those drives was the game out of reach. And he threw 1 pass. That's the point.
You aren't "stat padding" when you are trying to score up 7 or 14 points in a game outside of under 3 minutes or something.
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Bama plays hurry up
We did not play hurry up at all. We were playing a team that plays hurry up and was playing catchup. They both played fast and handed the ball over to us in their territory fast. Just look at the drive chart. It's incredible simple to look at and grasp.
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It doesn't get much later than 5 minutes in the 4th with a 21 point lead.
Bennett was still throwing passes in games up 21+ pts in the 4th qtr as well. Stat-padding? Why wasn't Beck in getting reps?
Bryce threw 91 passes last year when winning by 15+ pts
Bennett threw 78 passes last year when winning by 15+ pts
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
You aren't "stat padding" when you are trying to score up 7 or 14 points in a game outside of under 3 minutes or something.
1) he is still on the field with a 21 point lead and 7 minutes on the clock.
2) he is throwing to the endzone with 5 minutes on the clock.
We can agree to disagree.
The point is that Kirby is bleeding the clock and not fitting 5 drives in the 4th quarter with a lead and with starters.
The point is that Kirby is taking those last 7 minutes and running out the clock (not taking shots at the endzone with his starting qb to get one last score on the board and one last possession in).
1) he is still on the field with a 21 point lead and 7 minutes on the clock.
2) he is throwing to the endzone with 5 minutes on the clock.
We can agree to disagree.
The point is that Kirby is bleeding the clock and not fitting 5 drives in the 4th quarter with a lead and with starters.
The point is that Kirby is taking those last 7 minutes and running out the clock (not taking shots at the endzone with his starting qb to get one last score on the board and one last possession in).
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to DawginSC
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Bennett could have had much more impressive offensive stats if UGA were to give him more than 11 4th quarter passes last year.
No doubt. Same thing cost Tua the Heisman in 2018 vs Kyler Murray. He threw 355 passes on the year and only 17 of them were in the 4th (and a bunch of those were against Clemson).
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Bennett threw 1 pass in the 4th quarter against Michigan.
We were bleeding clock and trying to convert a third down. We may have been up 21 at the time I don't remember.
That would have been one of his 10 4th quarter pass attempts all last season against a team other than Bama.
Passes by Bennett up 15 were in the first 3 quarters. You know that.
We were bleeding clock and trying to convert a third down. We may have been up 21 at the time I don't remember.
That would have been one of his 10 4th quarter pass attempts all last season against a team other than Bama.
Passes by Bennett up 15 were in the first 3 quarters. You know that.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to BayouCowboy
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Well once it was 34-3 in the 3rd Qtr LSU let off the gas like they did vs OU.
Lsu scored 49 in the first half of thag game.
For uga 2019, People forget lsu only had 17 at half and didn’t get to 27 until 17 minutes left in the game.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:26 pm to RandySavage
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it wasn't for those 4 touchdowns they gave up UGA would have been right there in it! I stand corrected, LSU got lucky.
You really are an idiot
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