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Landmass
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
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Wait, what? This is quite contradictory. Are we supposed to despise Luke and the assistants and want them gone or are we supposed to give them a chance, a season, a recruiting cycle thereby "holding judgement." I'm confused.


What are you confused about? This is not contradictory at all. Luke is not qualified and should not be our coach. PERIOD. The fact that I don't know what kind of coordinators we have has no bearing on Luke's qualifications as head coach. Nobody is able to determine if either coordinator is any good until they have actually coached a game here and recruited a bit. Any claims to know that they are an upgrade is at best an educated guess and at worst simply jumping the gun. That's why I marked it as possibly up.

What happens if we still cannot score, yet also cannot get many first downs? Then Rich Rod is not as good as Longo.

What happens if we get blown out in more games than we did last season? Then Mike is not as good (shudders) as Crime Dog.

That's all I am saying. Luke is a disaster of a head coach. Nothing changes that. The program is worse off now than it was in 2017.


Doresrules
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I have no earthly idea what you are saying. Rich Rod is a better coach than Longo period. Mac is a better coach than Crime Dog period. Those two statements aren't debatable at all. You can feel uncertain about whether the production might be better or not, but there is no debate about the upgrade in the quality of the coaches.


Landmass
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
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I have no earthly idea what you are saying.


I can't help you, then. I explained it as clear as I can. You are arguing over the most minor part of my post anyway. The truth is that Luke sucks and the program sucks because of him.


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WithaRebelYell
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
Soooo our recruiting this week has been scary bad. Getting players that aren’t ranked or two stars and they don’t have a P5 offer.
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Landmass
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Don't tell that to the Luke fanboys. They think he is catching some big ones. He's just sweeping up some leftovers off the floor.


WithaRebelYell
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I know two of them arent ranked because they are Jucos but i cant remember ever having two stars and 4 unranked high school kids.


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TOFTR
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the Luke fanboys

I genuinely don’t understand how this scarecrow keeps getting brought up. No one on this board actively clamors for Luke to be the coach of the future. It’s a fake boogeyman


dhand
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
Mempho state is now favored over us. We need a fire Luke website


TOFTR
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Memphis has always been favored over us in certain books. They and Bama were the only D1 teams in the country to be favored in every game


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Doresrules
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If a kid has a 40" vertical and runs a 4.3 hand time why the hell would you care whether he is ranked on a website full of reports? WV not Colorado were consistently bringing in top 10 recruiting classes. I trust the OC and DC we currently have both know how to evaluate talent better than some site that once Bama offers boost a kids rating.


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Landmass
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
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If a kid has a 40" vertical and runs a 4.3 hand time why the hell would you care whether he is ranked on a website full of reports? WV not Colorado were consistently bringing in top 10 recruiting classes. I trust the OC and DC we currently have both know how to evaluate talent better than some site that once Bama offers boost a kids rating.


I trust coaches more than services too. That's why you look at the offer sheet. That tells more than star rankings do. If he is good, he will have offers from more than 1 big name school.

Let's look at our current commitments. I'm only listing other P5 offers.

Robert Scott - Arkansas, Kansas, Louisville, Miss State, Mizzou, Nebraska, Tennessee, Vandy
Kahlil Benson - Indiana, Miss State, Tennessee
Luke Shouse - Kansas, Louisville, VA Tech
Josaih Hayes - Alabama, UGA, Indiana, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee
Jaqwondis Burns - Arizona, Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado, Kansas, KSU, Louisville, OK St, TX Tech, Utah
Kyjuan Herndon - VA Tech, Purdue
Eli Acker - Nebraska
Austin Keys - NONE
Cameron White - NONE
Daylen Gill - NONE
Lakevias Daniel - NONE
Damarcus Thomas - NONE
An'Darius Coffey - NONE
Kentrel Bullock - NONE


Only 50% of our commitments even have an offer from another P5 school. Consider me genuinely wowed by Matt Luke's recruiting.


Doresrules
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The summer just started. Some haven't even visited the schools you think should have offered yet. Bro its June. Relax.


Landmass
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Some haven't even visited the schools you think should have offered yet.


Dores, you are in some serious denial.


Insideradvantage
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Landmass, what would you like to see happen right now with the football coaching staff? That's question one. Question two is what would you like to see the Ole Miss football fanbase do right now and this fall?

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Some haven't even visited the schools you think should have offered yet.


Dores, you are in some serious denial.




Landmass
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Landmass, what would you like to see happen right now with the football coaching staff?


Gone before more damage is done setting us back even further than we are now.

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Question two is what would you like to see the Ole Miss football fanbase do right now and this fall?


Do whatever you want to. I will watch games from a distance with mild interest and will not invest in it financially or emotionally. If #1 would happen above, but it won't, you would see an immediate near-sellout of tickets.

Whether you like Luke or not... whether you want to give him another chance or not, you cannot argue against the fact that the guy is a vastly polarizing figure for our fanbase. That is not good in business or in sports. So, if you want to keep rah-rahing Luke and his complete destruction of our program, go ahead. I will not.


WithaRebelYell
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Interesting takes from Rivals.

Neal thinks 7-5 is more likely than 5-7.

Jeffery thinks 4-8 just from the vegas line with Memphis. I think Jeffery is annoying as shite but hes a decent handicapper.


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Doresrules
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Let me get this straight. You suggest we fire Luke right now in June. Lose everything single recruit we have and the coaching staff with no chancellor or AD and that will somehow sellout tickets???? Oh OK...


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Doresrules
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"There has been some concern on RebelGrove.com about the ranking or lack thereof of some of Ole Miss’ commitments. To that, I say this:

— This staff isn’t star-chasing. They have a plan and they’re sticking to it.

— This staff is re-stocking a roster. The NCAA sanctions and all of the uncertainty around the program over the past few years absolutely took a toll on the roster.

— Elite five-star-type players aren’t going to buy into Ole Miss until they see success and stability on the field. Rebuilds take time.

— Ole Miss is offering guys it is seeing in person. These aren’t desperate offers. This is Tyler Siskey’s evaluation plan being put into motion. They are looking for certain types of players at different positions and they’re searching for certain types of personalities and character as they try to return the program to prominence.
— Rivals doesn’t have a ton of evaluation in place in Mississippi. The Mississippi State site is basically non-existent and the person over Mississippi lives in Georgia. Make no mistake, Chad Simmons does a super job, but he’s one guy and it’s still mid-June; he hasn’t seen and/or evaluated everyone. Kentrel Bullock, for example, has elite skills and great film. Rivals will get a chance to evaluate him further. There are other examples. I’ll simply say I believe they’re putting together a really solid class, one that can provide a foundation for a rebuilding program." -Neal McCready

Im not 100% certain this was a article for public consumption but Neal said it best. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the hire. But he is the coach. Why not support the team? I just can't get how a real fan just abandones his team because he doesn't agree with who is coaching. Fair weather fans.
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Landmass
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Wow... just wow. I am laughing.

Here you go Dores:


Image: https://lizboltzranfeld.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/kool-aid.jpg?w=650&h=390&crop=1
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Landmass
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re: Take Freeze back or Keep Luke? Upvote/Downvote
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— This staff isn’t star-chasing. They have a plan and they’re sticking to it.


Then they are idiots and that is proven on the field most Saturdays.

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— This staff is re-stocking a roster. The NCAA sanctions and all of the uncertainty around the program over the past few years absolutely took a toll on the roster.


The staff is restocking a roster with non-SEC talent. That's not going to work in the SEC no matter how you try to spin it.

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— Elite five-star-type players aren’t going to buy into Ole Miss until they see success and stability on the field. Rebuilds take time.


Hugh Freeze inherited a completely talent depleted team; one that did not win but a single SEC game in two years. He came in and worked his butt off recruiting and was able to sign those elite players, so don't feed me this line of B.S. Plus, how can you even have success without any elite players?

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— Ole Miss is offering guys it is seeing in person. These aren’t desperate offers. This is Tyler Siskey’s evaluation plan being put into motion. They are looking for certain types of players at different positions and they’re searching for certain types of personalities and character as they try to return the program to prominence.


Oh, I did not realize that Siskey was such a good program builder that he feels comfortable competing in the SEC West with CUSA talent.

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There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the hire. But he is the coach. Why not support the team? I just can't get how a real fan just abandones his team because he doesn't agree with who is coaching. Fair weather fans.


Look, Luke wasn't pulling his weight in 2014 and should have been fired then. Why not support him? Well, why throw good money away supporting a known loser and a lazy one at that. He may be a great guy but he's not even an average at best football coach.

Whether you like Luke or not... whether you want to give him another chance or not, you cannot argue against the fact that the guy is a vastly polarizing figure for our fanbase. That is not good in business or in sports. So, if you want to keep rah-rahing Luke and his complete destruction of our program, go ahead. I will not.
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