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re: Zimmerman not guilty
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:49 pm to bdelarosa7
Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:49 pm to bdelarosa7
Regardless of all the "facts" quoted here by both sides, the "fact" remains that the jury was made up of all white women plus one hispanic female. GZ's atty was openly pleased by the jury selection & was quoted on tv as saying this was exactly the type of jury the defense wanted. That the 17 yr old kid who was killed was black & wearing a hoodie is also a fact. You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision. And I am no flaming liberal, as I was voting the GOP ticket long before it became the fashionable thing to do.
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 3:53 pm to Keltic Tiger
I can tell you for sure that I wouldn't be screaming for a guilty verdict if the races had been reversed.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:11 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Regardless of all the "facts" quoted here by both sides, the "fact" remains that the jury was made up of all white women plus one hispanic female. GZ's atty was openly pleased by the jury selection & was quoted on tv as saying this was exactly the type of jury the defense wanted. That the 17 yr old kid who was killed was black & wearing a hoodie is also a fact. You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision. And I am no flaming liberal, as I was voting the GOP ticket long before it became the fashionable thing to do.
Alright, so now we have a Hispanic male with tattoos and a gold grill attacking a married, employed African American male who was trying to protect his community? I wouldn't be yelling for a conviction. Am I missing something?
Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:14 pm to Keltic Tiger
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You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision
This is a ridiculously ignorant statement.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:16 pm to Keltic Tiger
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the jury was made up of all white women plus one hispanic female.
Which was decided on by both the prosecution and defense.
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GZ's atty was openly pleased by the jury selection & was quoted on tv as saying this was exactly the type of jury the defense wanted.
If you've been paying attention and watching something other than MSNBC, you would know that the prosecution was happy with the jury as well after selection.
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You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision.
I would not. If the deceased individual physically assaulted the defendant, despite race, he should be acquitted based on the self-defense provision in Florida.
The fact of the matter is that even the Florida state attorney Angela Corey has said that "This case has never been about race." There are actual facts to the contrary in this case that oppose Zimmerman's status of a racist. Zimmerman did not even voluntarily offer the race of the "suspicious individual" while he was on the phone with the police dispatch and was quite unsure at first of the race.
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 4:38 pm to Keltic Tiger
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You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision
You may want to believe that, but I don't believe that would be the case for a great many people. Sure some, as there are those in every walk of life that blindly support racism and would choose to bypass the law and reason for an agenda. Just like what happened in this case.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:16 pm to Keltic Tiger
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egardless of all the "facts" quoted here by both sides, the "fact" remains that the jury was made up of all white women plus one hispanic female.
Because everyone and their brother knows the blacks are irrational when it comes to race. Regardless of the facts and evidence presented, Zimmerman is automatically guilty in their eyes. Half the white people (for what reason I have no idea) are joining their protests (and I hope they all get a taste of what Zimmerman went through one day). Had he REALLY BEEN a decent/innocent kid who Zimmerman shot out of cruelty instead of self defense, feelings would be different.
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That the 17 yr old kid who was killed was black & wearing a hoodie is also a fact. You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision. And I am no flaming liberal, as I was voting the GOP ticket long before it became the fashionable thing to do.
So that "creepy arse cracker" had absolutely NO RIGHT to murder a THUG out of self defense (in a state where stand your ground is permitted) who was giving him the arse whipping of a lifetime - slamming his head into the pavement? Are you fricking kidding me? I love how you make him out to be some innocent 17 year old kid, when every RECENT photo taken of Thugvon was him flipping a bird with his pants down around his knees; smoking dope; sporting a gold grill; etc. He was a teenage thug, not an innocent kid. Period.
If your neighborhood had endured countless robberies in recent days, and you see a thug (black or white) in a hoodie trotting down the sidewalk, would you not be suspicious? Secondly, if a thug TWICE YOUR SIZE knocked you to the ground and was pounding your face while slamming your head against the concrete, and you had no choice but to shoot/stab him, would you not?
This wouldn't have been an issue had Thugvon not been black and that's a fact. It's the racist blacks and racist guilt feeling whites who made this ordeal more than what it was.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:20 pm to BradPitt
the media played a major role as well. latching on to any bullshite story for ratings. It is embarrassing.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:32 pm to mwlewis
quote:I used to go in there all the time. No one gave a shite.
Not as bad as the neighborhood off Hargrove towards Harry's. I made the mistake of going into that gas station to get beer late one night and I felt unanimously hated by everyone in there
quote:Seriously? I've never had a problem there. shite, I used to eat at the soul food joints on MLK, right across from the projects, all the time. No one ever said a word. Not even a cross look.
Almost as big of a mistake as going to the Piggly Wiggly on Greensboro.
Posted on 7/14/13 at 11:59 pm to BradPitt
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knocked you to the ground and was pounding your face while slamming your head against the concrete, a
This is never mentioned by those who think Zimm was guilty. They seem to act like Zimm just walked up and shot the young man (17yr old is not a"kid") in cold blood with no other actions taking place. Travon had no business in the neighborhood, had hoped a gated fence, was hostile towards Zimm then ambushed him and was beating the shite out of him, all because the creepy cracker disrespected him by following him and questioning his reason for being the neighborhood.
Yeah that's a perfectly fine course of action and Zimm should have patted him on the back, gave him some candy and said good boy thanks for the broken nose and cracked skull.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 2:15 am to spacewrangler
Holy shite that was a long thread to read. I'm no lawyer but if the law says you can use whatever force necessary to defend yourself if you are in/believe yourself to be in danger of "great bodily harm", once someone has gotten on top of you in a fight, you ARE most definantly in danger of great bodily harm and possibly death, period, end of story. Anyone who doesn't realize this has never been in or seen a fight except on TV.
Zimmerman claimed it was in self defense and there was evidence to support his claim. Ther was no evidence to support that he was the aggressor. Yes, he got out of the vehicle when it wasn't necessary. That doesn't mean he was the aggressor. It's hard to believe he was the first one to get physical based on the facts in the case.
The people up in arms over this circus didn't want to know any of the facts to begin with. They wanted to believe that a gun toting white man murdered an innocent black kid. Racial profiteers like Al Sharpton, gun control fricks, as well as liberal media outlets knew it and they shoved that bullshite down every idiot that wanted to hear its throat 24/7 for a year and a half.
It's a terrible tragedy that the young man lost his life at 17, no matter how it happened. But he was not an innocent child by any means and it's not hard to find plenty of proof of that if one cares to use the google. Zimmerman is no hero either. He may even be a dumass. But he is not a murderer and the fact that the case ever even went to trial is a joke. Those who can't see this have fallen victim to one of the greatest trollings of a society in history
Zimmerman claimed it was in self defense and there was evidence to support his claim. Ther was no evidence to support that he was the aggressor. Yes, he got out of the vehicle when it wasn't necessary. That doesn't mean he was the aggressor. It's hard to believe he was the first one to get physical based on the facts in the case.
The people up in arms over this circus didn't want to know any of the facts to begin with. They wanted to believe that a gun toting white man murdered an innocent black kid. Racial profiteers like Al Sharpton, gun control fricks, as well as liberal media outlets knew it and they shoved that bullshite down every idiot that wanted to hear its throat 24/7 for a year and a half.
It's a terrible tragedy that the young man lost his life at 17, no matter how it happened. But he was not an innocent child by any means and it's not hard to find plenty of proof of that if one cares to use the google. Zimmerman is no hero either. He may even be a dumass. But he is not a murderer and the fact that the case ever even went to trial is a joke. Those who can't see this have fallen victim to one of the greatest trollings of a society in history
Posted on 7/15/13 at 2:21 am to bamaboy87
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You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision
This is a ridiculously ignorant statement.
Black 28 year old confronts a white teenager and ends up fatally shooting him? Sorry, but I do think some people would have different attitudes. Maybe not you, but a lot would.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 3:32 am to PowerTool
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Black 28 year old confronts a white teenager and ends up fatally shooting him?
What if it was a middle aged black male confronting and fatally shooting a white female teenager?
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 7:58 am to Keltic Tiger
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Regardless of all the "facts" quoted here by both sides, the "fact" remains that the jury was made up of all white women plus one hispanic female. GZ's atty was openly pleased by the jury selection & was quoted on tv as saying this was exactly the type of jury the defense wanted. That the 17 yr old kid who was killed was black & wearing a hoodie is also a fact. You can say this was not a raced based case all you want,but reverse the races of all the parties described here & tell me you would not be screaming for a guilty decision. And I am no flaming liberal, as I was voting the GOP ticket long before it became the fashionable thing to do
Here's a little known fact.
After jury selection, the prosecution is as capable of making a Batson challenge as the defense.
Since they didn't do so in this case, one must assume they were satisfied with the jury too. Further, the right to trial by a jury of your peers goes to the defendant and the black male wasn't on trial.
As far as if it were reversed, with the same facts (I actually followed the trial, watching a good bit of it) then hell no I wouldn't be calling for a conviction. The evidence was overwhelming that GZ acted in self defense. Based on the testimony of the only witness to see the fight pre-shooting and the testimony of the state's star witness, TM all but certainly started the fight. That same star witness is the one that also said TM referred to GZ with a racial slur. Despite the best and mostly successful efforts of NBC to alter the facts (something they're about to pay several million for doing), the truth is that GZ didn't even bring up TM's race until prompted by 911 and even then noted he wasn't sure.
The jury got it right. The only shame is that those who fanned the flames without the facts (which include the POTUS) don't have the integrity to come out and say they were wrong.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
What if it was a middle aged black male confronting and fatally shooting a white female teenager?
Well, to make it match exactly she'd have to be the one doing the confronting.
If that were the case and she had him on the ground punching him in the face, then my feelings would be exactly the same.
Well, to make it match exactly she'd have to be the one doing the confronting.
If that were the case and she had him on the ground punching him in the face, then my feelings would be exactly the same.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
Is George Zimmerman even white?
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:09 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Is George Zimmerman even white?
Nope.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:10 am to JustGetItRight
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she'd have to be the one doing the confronting.
No way anyone would buy that
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:59 am to reservoir_dawg
Zimmerman not guilty
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TeLeFaWx Zimmerman not guilty The guy was an insecure prick. Not a racist. The not guilty verdict is a result of an overeager DA that wanted a racist charge. Hes super guilty but not of what he was charged of.
It had nothing to do with the local DA. The local DA was never going to charge him. But when you get the President and the Attorney General of the United States making references to the case and going over the local DA's head, there's not much anyone can do. This one was prosecuted due to Obama and Holder.
^This^, but hey let's pile on the prosecuting team, and talk about what imbeciles they are versus the defense team. Both sides are required to win by the nature and description of their jobs. One side had all the ammo. Do any on here think the locals wanted this circus? I dont think any LE 's in the Sanford area woke up february 27, 2012 thinking "lets arrest GZ and ruin our community for a while." They were just doing what the chain of command starting at the White House demanded. And the POTUS' personal injection into this event is what caused this travesty.
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TeLeFaWx Zimmerman not guilty The guy was an insecure prick. Not a racist. The not guilty verdict is a result of an overeager DA that wanted a racist charge. Hes super guilty but not of what he was charged of.
It had nothing to do with the local DA. The local DA was never going to charge him. But when you get the President and the Attorney General of the United States making references to the case and going over the local DA's head, there's not much anyone can do. This one was prosecuted due to Obama and Holder.
^This^, but hey let's pile on the prosecuting team, and talk about what imbeciles they are versus the defense team. Both sides are required to win by the nature and description of their jobs. One side had all the ammo. Do any on here think the locals wanted this circus? I dont think any LE 's in the Sanford area woke up february 27, 2012 thinking "lets arrest GZ and ruin our community for a while." They were just doing what the chain of command starting at the White House demanded. And the POTUS' personal injection into this event is what caused this travesty.
Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:18 am to TbirdSpur2010
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What if it was a middle aged black male confronting and fatally shooting a white female teenager?
Rape =/= shooting.
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