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re: Will there be riots if Zimmerman is found not guilty?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 7:55 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 6/27/13 at 7:55 pm to Robot Santa
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There just isn't anything there. You can piece together a decent idea of what probably happened, but it's really just speculation.
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They probably could have gotten him on manslaughter as that would require Zimmerman's defense to show solid evidence for self-defense. By going for second degree murder they rendered the need for proof of self-defense null and now HAVE to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman approached Trayvon with mal-intent and shot him with absolutely no provocation.
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Posted on 6/27/13 at 7:56 pm to sorantable
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Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:01 pm to Vols&Shaft83
You know, and I hate to admit this, but I really hate that bitch. She is everything that is wrong with America.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:03 pm to Stonehog
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Hopefully, I need a new blender.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:05 pm to Robot Santa
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Santa, can the jury consider a lesser charge, or are they limited to 2nd degree murder?
ETA - I should say that I believe GZ profiled and basically stalked the kid, and was looking for a fight. I just don't know if it meets the standard for the murder charge.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:15 pm to semotruman
The way I understand it, in Florida a 2nd degree murder charge includes 2nd degree murder and everything below it.
So if what I heard is right, he can be convicted on a lesser charge.
So if what I heard is right, he can be convicted on a lesser charge.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:15 pm to semotruman
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I should say that I believe GZ profiled and basically stalked the kid, and was looking for a fight
If the prosecution can prove this (along with showing that Zimmerman initiated the fight), they will convict on second degree murder. That charge does not require entering into a situation intending to commit murder, only a malice act that ultimately results in one killing without provocation. Manslaughter is recklessness resulting in you taking someone's life.
The problem is that the prosecution cannot prove that. Without an eye witness and Trayvon's character traits, there is more than reasonable doubt as to who was defending themselves.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:18 pm to semotruman
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This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:20 pm to CrimsonChin
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Will there be riots if Zimmerman is found not guilty?
Not in my neighborhood.
A non-guilty verdict pretty much gives me the green light.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
i understand the differences between the charges, but I wasn't sure in Florida if they could consider anything other than the 2nd degree murder charge,
Travon's character traits don't matter. Was he an angel? Obviously not, but that doesn't matter, and I don't believe the jury can consider that because it's not pertinent to the case. He was an unarmed minor who was profiled, stalked and ended up dead. Zimmerman is responsible for that. And GZ has a past that shows he's been violent before.
There are no winners or losers in the case, really. Except the parents who no longer have their child due to an overzealous wannabe cop acting as neighborhood watch. Zimmerman had the ability to keep this from happening, if he'd just followed the instructions of the 911 operator.
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Trayvon's character traits
Travon's character traits don't matter. Was he an angel? Obviously not, but that doesn't matter, and I don't believe the jury can consider that because it's not pertinent to the case. He was an unarmed minor who was profiled, stalked and ended up dead. Zimmerman is responsible for that. And GZ has a past that shows he's been violent before.
There are no winners or losers in the case, really. Except the parents who no longer have their child due to an overzealous wannabe cop acting as neighborhood watch. Zimmerman had the ability to keep this from happening, if he'd just followed the instructions of the 911 operator.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:25 pm to semotruman
The jury could bump it down to 3rd degree murder
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:26 pm to semotruman
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Zimmerman is responsible for that
The trial hasn't concluded and proven that yet.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:27 pm to semotruman
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Travon's character traits don't matter.
Legally? No. You're naïve if you believe it wont significantly effect the mindset and decision of the jurors though.
Any chance for a conviction on a murder charge went out the window as soon as Trayvon's drug use, school suspensions, vulgar texts and photos attempting to look "hood" were relased. Right or wrong, black kids seen as "thugs" are seen as more dangerous and prone to crime and all that weighs heavily on the minds of jurors especially considering non of the jurors in this case are black.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:30 pm to Alahunter
I haven't followed case much but they have no witness they have no true motive they have a kid in a neighborhood where he didn't live?
If all this is true the defense wins.
If all this is true the defense wins.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:30 pm to semotruman
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Zimmerman had the ability to keep this from happening
And if Zimmerman is telling even a half-truth, so did Trayvon. Nobody is saying Zimmerman wasn't at fault in any way, but he didn't commit murder unless Trayvon had ZERO fault in what occurred.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I hate to admit this, but I really hate that bitch.
I think Zimm is a lot to blame for what happened, but does anyone believe this bitch isn't just making shite up as she goes along?
For months she says she didn't hear shite, now she suddenly says I heard him shout "get off me" and cry for help.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:34 pm to Garfield
If the jury truly will find Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty, there's no way Zimmerman should lose this case.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:40 pm to Bama Bird
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If the jury truly will find Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty, there's no way Zimmerman should lose this case.
Prosecution has no case (doesn't mean he won't be found guilty though).
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:42 pm to Bama Bird
If Zimmerman is convicted of murder, assuming no shocking new evidence comes to light, it will be strictly due to public pressure and will be thrown out on appeal by any honorable judge.
The prosecution is trying a lost cause and they know it. Even their questioning has been half-assed. They wanted to ensure that when he got off the blaim would be on the jury and the system rather than them. They might have gotten manslaughter but would have been crucified for it.
The prosecution is trying a lost cause and they know it. Even their questioning has been half-assed. They wanted to ensure that when he got off the blaim would be on the jury and the system rather than them. They might have gotten manslaughter but would have been crucified for it.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 8:43 pm to Garfield
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Prosecution has no case (doesn't mean he won't be found guilty though).
The jury will find him guilty of something and it will make everything okay for everyone but GZ and TM.
They had no case before, which is why it wasn't going to be prosecuted. Juries are people, and they'll hit him with a lesser charge because people like to fix things, and this seems like a situation that needs to be fixed.
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