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Thoughts on JFK asassination?
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:27 pm
We've been lacking some good conspiracy theories recently, so Im curious to people's thoughts on the JFK assassination.
Do you trust the findings of the Warren Commission Report? Oswald was the only shooter, book depository window, magic bullet, etc.? Are you a believer in the grassy knoll theories? Did Jack Ruby shut up Oswald?
Here's a copy of the Zapruder Film
And for extra discussion here's a list of deaths of the people who witnessed the incedent
Do you trust the findings of the Warren Commission Report? Oswald was the only shooter, book depository window, magic bullet, etc.? Are you a believer in the grassy knoll theories? Did Jack Ruby shut up Oswald?
Here's a copy of the Zapruder Film
And for extra discussion here's a list of deaths of the people who witnessed the incedent
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:39 pm to thatguy45
It was pretty mind-blowing
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:41 pm to CNB
Dang it 
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:08 am to thatguy45
CIA and Mob did it with LBJ's approval to push through civil rights and immigration legislation.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:10 am to KSGamecock
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CIA and Mob did it with LBJ's approval to push through civil rights and immigration legislation.
That's deep. Think there might be a tie in with jfk refusing operation Northwoods but LBJ being ok with Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Posted on 2/7/19 at 12:19 am to thatguy45
LBJ was an easily manipulable tool, listen to any private recording of him. He was a fricking idiot. I think you're on to something in that the people who wanted LBJ in wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam and used Tonkin as a pretext.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:38 am to KSGamecock
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CIA and Mob did it
Agree
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with LBJ's approval
Not seeing it
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to push through civil rights and immigration legislation.
Uhhhh no
They did for self survival; JFK was on record trying to eliminate both organizations
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:06 am to thatguy45
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Thoughts on JFK asassination?
Lee Harvey was a good shot.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:31 am to thatguy45
I will never believe that LHO acted alone.
I will never believe that Jack Ruby was just a mishap in security. Then magically was killed shortly after with no connection.
The whole thing just reeks of governmental cover up.
I will never believe that Jack Ruby was just a mishap in security. Then magically was killed shortly after with no connection.
The whole thing just reeks of governmental cover up.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 8:55 am to thatguy45
I'm in a conspiracy theories class for my senior seminar for my Bachelor's. I could post a new thread of what we're covering each class if you'd like.
Yesterday's class was over the moon landing, but we've covered reptilian elite, pizzagate, and a few others. Monday we watched x files episode - Jose Chung and touched on mind and body control. Has been interesting, but lots of reading for the class. Usually 2-3 chapters plus peer review article for each class.
Yesterday's class was over the moon landing, but we've covered reptilian elite, pizzagate, and a few others. Monday we watched x files episode - Jose Chung and touched on mind and body control. Has been interesting, but lots of reading for the class. Usually 2-3 chapters plus peer review article for each class.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:19 am to thatguy45
Joe DiMaggio used his mafia connections to have him assassinated. Joe never got over MM and blamed JFK her death.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:29 am to momentoftruth87
You ain't gotta post all of them. Post some though. Always fun to see what some OTers think of this stuff
Posted on 2/7/19 at 9:55 am to Wtodd
LBJ wasn’t the smartest guy but he was a sufficiently wormy enough political pilot to guide himself in to ever higher stations of power. He was chosen as VP to bring Southern Democrats to the ticket and then used his connections within Texas to fix the election there and win the presidency. Kennedy being assassinated in Dallas is no coincidence. LBJ, if not completely in on it, was certainly an unwitting pawn.
On the legislation issue you need to broaden the scope of your understanding a bit and realize that different actors had different motivations. The mob didn’t care about that stuff, they just had a grudge against the Kennedys. The CIA absolutely did and it was a part of their public foreign policy push as a part of the Cold War. The CIA has also always heavily recruited from the Ivy League schools. So on one hand you had the CIA as an organization that wanted that legislation to take talking points on equal rights away from the Soviets and you had individuals within the CIA who wanted it because of their own personal liberal convictions or freemarket buisiness principles like HW. They got to remove a stumbling block to their fight against communism and then use that removal as fuel for the fight, it was brilliant on their end. The DNC was also all for it in an effort to grow and cement a voting base for generations to come. Both the Civil Rights Act and Hart Celler act were pushed through as Kennedy legacy laws, Kennedy being martyred was crucial to their passage.
Too often the public foreign policy angle of the Civil Rights legislation gets lost in the narrative. The Communists were hammering us for how certain groups, especially black people, were treated and it was helping them win inroads around the world. Had we not been in a Cold War the Civil Rights movement could have gone a very different direction or taken longer to get where it is today.
On the legislation issue you need to broaden the scope of your understanding a bit and realize that different actors had different motivations. The mob didn’t care about that stuff, they just had a grudge against the Kennedys. The CIA absolutely did and it was a part of their public foreign policy push as a part of the Cold War. The CIA has also always heavily recruited from the Ivy League schools. So on one hand you had the CIA as an organization that wanted that legislation to take talking points on equal rights away from the Soviets and you had individuals within the CIA who wanted it because of their own personal liberal convictions or freemarket buisiness principles like HW. They got to remove a stumbling block to their fight against communism and then use that removal as fuel for the fight, it was brilliant on their end. The DNC was also all for it in an effort to grow and cement a voting base for generations to come. Both the Civil Rights Act and Hart Celler act were pushed through as Kennedy legacy laws, Kennedy being martyred was crucial to their passage.
Too often the public foreign policy angle of the Civil Rights legislation gets lost in the narrative. The Communists were hammering us for how certain groups, especially black people, were treated and it was helping them win inroads around the world. Had we not been in a Cold War the Civil Rights movement could have gone a very different direction or taken longer to get where it is today.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:00 am to thatguy45
Well I'll hit the slow pitch ones first.
Good Ole Lee Harvey first of all. LHO could not do this... today. Because after JFK got whacked they stopped announcing well in advance the President will be here at this date, on this route, at this time. They loosened it up a bit after a while and then Reagan got shot. Its why the Secret Service scouts out every location and if the President is making an appearance in an "open" environment a small horde of agents goes through there and its not announced in advance.
The exception is the inauguration parade where there is a small army (not hyperbole) of law enforcement personnel lining the parade route.
Could he have made those shots? Sure. I could make those shots. LHO got off three rounds in a few seconds, which is very doable with a bolt action rifle. He missed once, hit JFK in the throat with the second shot (which might have been enough to kill the President from severe blood loss), and then popped the balloon with the third shot. Oswald was a trained Marine marksman and I have little doubt his accuracy could be matched or even surpassed by most of the folks posting on the Outdoors forum here.
Where Kennedy got unlucky is that the type of rifle LHO used has a tendency to jam in rapid fire situations. About half the time you'll get a jam trying to get that many shots off in that time. Kennedy lost a coin flip.
If it would make JFK feel better, he got unlucky, his brother RFK died because he was a dumb shite. He refused Secret Service protection and his band of complete novices let an assassin get within pissing distance of him in a crowded situation.
Now... was there a JFK conspiracy? Yes. Yes, there was and the Soviets were behind it.
No, they didn't have JFK whacked.
The Soviets were terrified after JFK was assassinated, they were certain it was a right wing coup that would be followed by a nuclear attack. When they discovered it was good ole Oswald that did it they were even more terrified. Thankfully the world didn't end in atomic fire, we just got LBJ in office for awhile.
It was after the initial concern passed that the KGB realized what had dropped into their laps. The American people wanted to believe a vast conspiracy was behind JFK getting shot. No one wanted to believe that a putz like Oswald would kill the most powerful man in the world. Blessed with this manna from Heaven (vodka from the proles? Borscht from Lenin? What would be the Soviet version of that phrase?) the KGB began cheerfully funneling millions of dollars into supporting and propagating JFK assassination conspiracy theories.
So if you are a firm believer in a Kennedy conspiracy thank the KGB. It will, I am sure, warm Putin's heart to know this.
The thing about Presidential assassins is that, other then the actual conspiracy that assassinated Lincoln, all of them were utter failures in life. LHO has a lot of company in being a complete screw up who either tried to kill the President or managed to pull it off.
Good Ole Lee Harvey first of all. LHO could not do this... today. Because after JFK got whacked they stopped announcing well in advance the President will be here at this date, on this route, at this time. They loosened it up a bit after a while and then Reagan got shot. Its why the Secret Service scouts out every location and if the President is making an appearance in an "open" environment a small horde of agents goes through there and its not announced in advance.
The exception is the inauguration parade where there is a small army (not hyperbole) of law enforcement personnel lining the parade route.
Could he have made those shots? Sure. I could make those shots. LHO got off three rounds in a few seconds, which is very doable with a bolt action rifle. He missed once, hit JFK in the throat with the second shot (which might have been enough to kill the President from severe blood loss), and then popped the balloon with the third shot. Oswald was a trained Marine marksman and I have little doubt his accuracy could be matched or even surpassed by most of the folks posting on the Outdoors forum here.
Where Kennedy got unlucky is that the type of rifle LHO used has a tendency to jam in rapid fire situations. About half the time you'll get a jam trying to get that many shots off in that time. Kennedy lost a coin flip.
If it would make JFK feel better, he got unlucky, his brother RFK died because he was a dumb shite. He refused Secret Service protection and his band of complete novices let an assassin get within pissing distance of him in a crowded situation.
Now... was there a JFK conspiracy? Yes. Yes, there was and the Soviets were behind it.
No, they didn't have JFK whacked.
The Soviets were terrified after JFK was assassinated, they were certain it was a right wing coup that would be followed by a nuclear attack. When they discovered it was good ole Oswald that did it they were even more terrified. Thankfully the world didn't end in atomic fire, we just got LBJ in office for awhile.
It was after the initial concern passed that the KGB realized what had dropped into their laps. The American people wanted to believe a vast conspiracy was behind JFK getting shot. No one wanted to believe that a putz like Oswald would kill the most powerful man in the world. Blessed with this manna from Heaven (vodka from the proles? Borscht from Lenin? What would be the Soviet version of that phrase?) the KGB began cheerfully funneling millions of dollars into supporting and propagating JFK assassination conspiracy theories.
So if you are a firm believer in a Kennedy conspiracy thank the KGB. It will, I am sure, warm Putin's heart to know this.
The thing about Presidential assassins is that, other then the actual conspiracy that assassinated Lincoln, all of them were utter failures in life. LHO has a lot of company in being a complete screw up who either tried to kill the President or managed to pull it off.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:24 am to KSGamecock
So the mob, the CIA, the DNC, and some major players in Texas were all in on it? That's a hell of a lot of people to keep quiet and to convince that it's ok to kill a president. Seems like it'd happen more often if it was that easy.
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This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:31 am to bigpapamac
Not the entirety of the organizations, just very small fractions. I don’t think the DNC was actuallly in on it unless LBJ was, they just Reichstag fired it at the behest of the CIA. The mob may not have even been aware that they were part of the coverup and just got subcontracted the cleanup in the form of Ruby. It could have just been a handful of folks at the CIA and handling that would not be difficult. People die in accidents all the time.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:53 am to thatguy45
It was a coup and probably not the first in this country.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:07 am to Broken Coyote
And hopefully not the last.
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Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:18 am to thatguy45
secret society speech and Vietnam
"conspiracy"? Sure, it was conspiracy to commit murder of the president, and the CIA did it
"conspiracy"? Sure, it was conspiracy to commit murder of the president, and the CIA did it
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:52 am to KSGamecock
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LBJ wasn’t the smartest guy
Depends how you define intelligence
From education angle probably not but he more than made up for it in human interaction and power skills. Making you staff keep up while you are crapping is an extreme form of control.
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