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re: The Scofield Bible, Christian Zionism, End Times prophesy
Posted on 7/2/15 at 6:09 pm to genro
Posted on 7/2/15 at 6:09 pm to genro
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Khazaria.
Huge interest in Khazaria and how those roots spread through history. When there's more time I'd love to hone in on that topic.
I have a lot of respect for your intelligence and ability to articulate points. I love your last post in the 'things that are real' thread. I've made similar points in my head and to others, but not with the same clarity.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little giddy and thrilled to have someone worthwhile, who I trust as a balanced person, to talk to about this stuff.
You're in a unique position. You're respected and liked by people on this site, you've built up a reputation without tarnishing it with fringe topics or alternative views -- making it easier for them to take seriously what you have to say.
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 6:25 pm to genro
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The Scofield Bible
Did you mean the Schofield Bible?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 6:55 pm to genro
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Scofield said that Christ cannot return to earth until certain events occur. The Jews must return to Palestine
See? Obama is just trying to keep the end of the world from happening
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:18 pm to Numberwang
quote:Might literally be the greatest exaggeration ever. Furthermore, we aren't Protestants. We are Christians.
Protestants can't stand for a priest telling them how to interpret the scriptures, yet most of them take every word of Scofield as if it were written by Jesus himself.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:24 pm to Numberwang
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most of them
Most Christians can't tell you who Scofield was.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:30 pm to the808bass
Probably dont know who Milton is either, but that doesn't mean that their conceptualization of heaven, hell, the fall, and Lucifer isn't more influenced by Paradise Lost than the actual Scripture.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:32 pm to the808bass
Good point.
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John Nelson Darby is regarded as the father of dispensationalism and its prodigy, Christian Zionism. It was Cyrus. I. Scofield and D. L. Moody, however, who brought Darby’s sectarian theology into mainstream evangelical circles. R. C. Sproul concedes that dispensationalism is now ‘...a theological system that in all probability is the majority report among current American evangelicals.’[[1]]
Most of the early popular American radio preachers such as Donald Grey Barnhouse, Charles E. Fuller, and M. R. DeHaan were dispensationalists. Today, virtually all the 'televangelists' such as Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, Paul Crouch, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Billy Graham are also dispensationalists.
Other leading dispensationalist writers include Charles Ryrie, Dwight Pentecost, John Walvoord, Eric Sauer, Charles Dyer, Tim LaHaye, Grant Jeffrey and Hal Lindsey. Notable political proponents include Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Probably the most significant Christian organisations to espouse dispensationalism have been the Moody Bible Institute, Dallas Theological Seminary and the International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:37 pm to genro
Moody is a non-factor in current theological trends. Dallas isn't far behind.
Dispensationalism has had its peak popularity and will continue to trend downward.
Why will there be thirty minutes of silence in Heaven on the Day of the Lord?
For the prophesy teachers to revise their charts.
:rimshot:
Dispensationalism has had its peak popularity and will continue to trend downward.
Why will there be thirty minutes of silence in Heaven on the Day of the Lord?
For the prophesy teachers to revise their charts.
:rimshot:
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 pm to hogfly
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Probably dont know who Milton is either, but that doesn't mean that their conceptualization of heaven, hell, the fall, and Lucifer isn't more influenced by Paradise Lost than the actual Scripture.
That's a fair point. But I'd argue that American Christianity is two generations away from Dispensationalism being of far less influence. The two churches I've attended in the past decade are both probably in the megachurch category and neither teach Dispensationalism. Nor do either of them even teach a favoritism for the modern state of Israel.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:43 pm to the808bass
It never ends. 
There are counter-apocalyptic scenarios that assert Christian Zionism as The Great Deception
There are counter-apocalyptic scenarios that assert Christian Zionism as The Great Deception
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:48 pm to the808bass
Plenty of Christians who don't hear it on Sunday but still are aware of it and support it as doctrine
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:54 pm to genro
Sure. But the nation of Israel fetish is fading.
I have a couple of FB friends who post every earthquake and every technological advance is the mark of the Beast. But they're mocked (oftentimes publicly and uncomfortably so) by my other church friends.
I have a couple of FB friends who post every earthquake and every technological advance is the mark of the Beast. But they're mocked (oftentimes publicly and uncomfortably so) by my other church friends.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:59 pm to the808bass
quote:Christian persecution?! Alinsky tactics?!
But they're mocked (oftentimes publicly and uncomfortably so) by my other church friends.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:00 pm to genro
My church friends are FB bullies. Hard to believe what with my pleasant online disposition, I know.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:31 pm to genro
I think it's pretty apparent to anyone that has read the Bible that man has been allowed to approach God in different ways over time. And Darby was by no means the father of that interpretation. Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and others mentioned ages and/or dispensations in their writings.
Also, there will be no Rapture or Armageddon.
Also, there will be no Rapture or Armageddon.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:36 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:I don't think it says he was.
And Darby was by no means the father of that interpretation.
quote:It's not about the uniqueness of Darby's doctrine. It's about the link this particular doctrine has with the modern Zionist movement, and its influence on modern theology
Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and others mentioned ages and/or dispensation
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:38 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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“For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham (who in uncircumcision was approved of and blessed by God on account of his faith, and called the father of many nations), are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”
Justin Martyr in the Dialogue with Trypho.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:50 pm to genro
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I don't think it says he was.
It doesn't?
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John Nelson Darby is regarded as the father of dispensationalism and its prodigy, Christian Zionism
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It's not about the uniqueness of Darby's doctrine. It's about the link this particular doctrine has with the modern Zionist movement, and its influence on modern theology
Yeah, I got that. Just wanted to throw that in there.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:54 pm to genro
I was part of an exchange program in the very early 70s having a talent for linguistitics .... it's the reason I ended-up doing the work I did most of my life.
I lived with some Christian Lebonese here at USC, and in Beruit, during the bad old days. I laws already fairly good with french and English, and I learned most of their vulgarities .... but I can tell you that the Palestinians are the ones that murdered the true Lebanese ... not the Israelies.
The Lebonese were almost totally Christian ... when I was there it was the most beautiful country in the middle east .... but the radical Muslims came in and destroyed it trying to get at Israel.
I'm still in touch with all of those guys.
frick this revisionist history bullshite.
I lived with some Christian Lebonese here at USC, and in Beruit, during the bad old days. I laws already fairly good with french and English, and I learned most of their vulgarities .... but I can tell you that the Palestinians are the ones that murdered the true Lebanese ... not the Israelies.
The Lebonese were almost totally Christian ... when I was there it was the most beautiful country in the middle east .... but the radical Muslims came in and destroyed it trying to get at Israel.
I'm still in touch with all of those guys.
frick this revisionist history bullshite.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 11:03 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Personally I'm convinced we live in Kali Yuga
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