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re: The killer of John Major’s Granddaughter gets 18 months sentence.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
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I'm against prosecuting people for murder if they didnt actually murder someone.
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He stated that he entered the park with two of his friends. The purpose of going into the park that day was to commit a robbery
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“Mr. Davis picked [the knife] up and handed it back to [his friend], and then Mr. Davis watched his friends grab the victim, put her in a chokehold and remove items from her pocket,”
“Rashaun went up to her and said something to her and Tessa yelled for help,” he said, according to the New York Times. “Rashaun used the knife that I had handed to him to stab Tessa and I saw feathers coming out of her coat."
Actively looking for a victim. Hands the stabber the knife he used to kill her. Covered up the crime. Sounds innocent to me.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:51 am to lsufball19
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Bottom line, an 18 month sentence for felony murder is a joke. No, that is not a standard sentence for a 13 year old killing someone while committing an armed robbery. I see kids sentenced longer than that for non-violent offenses.
The kid never touched her or her belongings according to the evidence presented.
I believe they will revisit the sentence at various periods and can extend it up to 4 years if they deem it necessary if I understood right.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:54 am to skrayper
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First time offenders got much larger sentencing times for blacks as opposed to whites in the late 80s once sentencing guidelines went into place.
This trend has continued.
Not necessarily true because according to that study, black females received lighter sentences than white males.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:54 am to OmegaMan
In regards to the letter of the law, things to consider in the sentencing:
1. If the DA thinks they can prosecute the person for the more serious crime.
2. If the individual cooperated with the investigation
3. Sentencing guidelines as dictated within the state in question
If the DA does not prosecute a violent crime, and if New York statues state that a non-violent crime for someone under the age of X carries certain guidelines, the judge will likely follow through with them and take consideration from the DA's office.
Before anyone gets their cackles up, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of the decisions. Only what might have led to the DA downgrading the charge and then what things the Judge can and cannot do and what considerations are taken into account.
1. If the DA thinks they can prosecute the person for the more serious crime.
2. If the individual cooperated with the investigation
3. Sentencing guidelines as dictated within the state in question
If the DA does not prosecute a violent crime, and if New York statues state that a non-violent crime for someone under the age of X carries certain guidelines, the judge will likely follow through with them and take consideration from the DA's office.
Before anyone gets their cackles up, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of the decisions. Only what might have led to the DA downgrading the charge and then what things the Judge can and cannot do and what considerations are taken into account.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:56 am to SidewalkTiger
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Not necessarily true because according to that study, black females received lighter sentences than white males.
I wasn't going into gender fluctuations, as all women regardless of race had lighter sentencing than men.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:57 am to skrayper
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I wasn't going into gender fluctuations, as all women regardless of race had lighter sentencing than men.
Then how can it be a racial issue if black women are receiving lighter sentences than white men who are allegedly the epitome of "privilege" in this country?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:58 am to SidewalkTiger
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This has proven to be because blacks are more likely to have a violent criminal history than whites generally.
The United States Sentencing Commission did a study a few years ago and took history into account. They still didn't think that was the reason for longer sentences based off their research.
Edit: nvm, see someone already posted it
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:59 am to OmegaMan
That's a horrific miscarriage of justice. Need Gerrard Butler's character to make a return.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:03 am to SidewalkTiger
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The kid never touched her or her belongings according to the evidence presented.
He handed the stabber the fricking knife he used to murder her, you sick, excuse-making, moral idiot. Have some respect for her life and for her family. Damn. I can't even.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:07 am to Lsupimp
A lot of these crimes are just thrill kills. Someone I know was shot by a 14 year old black kid for no reason back in the 90’s. He was walking down the street and randomly shot and killed. Police think it may have been a gang initiation. Never caught killer. Another guy was shot in his car, all the black kids at Murphy high school apparently knew who the shooter was and nothing was said until the shooter’s girlfriend got mad at him and turned him into police.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:09 am to skrayper
Thanks for the insight
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:11 am to SidewalkTiger
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Then how can it be a racial issue if black women are receiving lighter sentences than white men who are allegedly the epitome of "privilege" in this country?
Well, I haven't looked at the sentencing of black women as opposed to white women. The report focused more on male discrepancy.
So perhaps it is specifically a target on black men. The study seems to confirm that black men are unjustly targeted for longer sentences than white men who are in similar situations (similar crimes and similar histories).
Also, women make up a much smaller component of our prison system than men. In the study done in 2015, they make up 10.4% of the total prison population. While there are more white women than black women in prisons, when measured against how often they are tried black women are incarcerated 2 times more often than white women.
It's clear that women get more of a benefit of the doubt than men when it comes to sentencing, but a black woman doing a similar crime is still much more likely to see prison than a white woman.
I worked in the prison system in Oklahoma for a while. Trust me when I say, it's not just worked and jury rigged numbers. I saw white men with multiple counts of rape get parole in a few years and black men in for life because of three charges of grand theft auto. The system as a whole is corrupt, and that corruption has - statistically - been weighed heavier against black populations.
Here's the full report the government did on it. They prove that first time offenders - so no history of violent behavior or crime - black people get significantly more prison time. Changing over to how the judicial system works to sentence women as a whole to shorter sentences when they make up 1/10th of the system is not relevant to the case being discussed.
Government report
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:23 am to OmegaMan
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I’m not. 18 months for robbing someone is ridiculous much less a violent murder with a knife. A person that robs someone is a sociopath/psychopath. That never changes. Personally, I believe people doing robberies of this nature should be public ally executed
Thank you for that quote, especially the part about the sociopath-psychopath
So, based on YOUR LOGIC, the traitorous treasonous cowardly loser racist confederates robbed HUMANS of their freedom, and are therefore sociopaths & psychopaths and based on YOUR LOGIC I'm guessing that they don't deserve Statues, Monuments, Military Bases, Schools, Streets, or Municipalities to be named in their honor
Based on a logical extension your ideology, you must be in agreement that anything named after a confederate or a segregationist must undergo a name change or removal of the monument to private property
Am I fairly interpreting your comment above?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:26 am to parrothead
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police brutality is fricking ridiculous for every race
I agree. And if the movement was to address that, then I think almost everyone would be on board. But they have to pigeon-hole themselves with the racial virtue signaling instead of focusing on what the problem actually is.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:27 am to skrayper
Thank you for providing intelligent, factual insight, as well as allowing us a look into your workplace to better understand things the Media doesn't tell us
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:28 am to skrayper
Useless without context, you'd have to parse the crimes individually by their nature. As far as anecdotes, George Floyd and Rashard Brooks were walking free after fairly short sentences relative to their crimes iirc
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:28 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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the traitorous treasonous cowardly loser racist confederates robbed HUMANS of their freedom, and are therefore sociopaths & psychopaths and based on YOUR LOGIC I'm guessing that they don't deserve Statues, Monuments, Military Bases, Schools, Streets, or Municipalities to be named in their honor
what does this have to do with Johhny Majors' grand-daughter
TIA
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:29 am to skrayper
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The system as a whole is corrupt, and that corruption has - statistically - been weighed heavier against black populations.
Why do you believe this is?
Simple racism?
Some deep bias because blacks commit more violent crime per capita?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:30 am to lsufball19
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what does this have to do with Johhny Majors' grand-daughter
True.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:35 am to skrayper
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targeted for longer sentences than white men who are in similar situations (similar crimes and similar histories).
Same legal representation?
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but a black woman doing a similar crime is still much more likely to see prison than a white woman.
Which crimes and once again are you saying both have the same degree of legal representation, correct?
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saw white men with multiple counts of rape get parole in a few years and black men in for life because of three charges of grand theft auto. The system as a whole is corrupt, and that corruption has - statistically -
Please give me the names and cases of the rapist and grand theft cases.
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