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re: The killer of John Major’s Granddaughter gets 18 months sentence.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:37 am to Mithridates6
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:37 am to Mithridates6
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Useless without context, you'd have to parse the crimes individually by their nature. As far as anecdotes, George Floyd and Rashard Brooks were walking free after fairly short sentences relative to their crimes iirc
You are free to read the full report. There are millions of people in prison. Grouping similarities together is hardly "useless" and the context is there in the report.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:40 am to parrothead
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Should honestly just be “lives matter” because police brutality is fricking ridiculous for every race. Over militarization, Civil asset forfeiture fraud, unions, immunity....frick that. Not saying every cop is a bad, I know some great one, but in general, they need to be toned the frick down
I'm trying to be calm here, bear with me
The theory behind BLM is similar to a Fire Truck that goes into a Subdivision with 50 homes
Only 1 home is on fire
Can you imagine the guy in charge saying we need to put water on these other houses because all houses are important to their owners?
Of course not, you take your Fire Truck to the house that is on Fire and you get water on it and try to save it if you can
The theory behind BLM is that is where the crisis(fire) is WRT police interactions (police & minorities)
No one is saying other lives don't matter, BLM is simply saying pay attention to this crisis with Blacks and the Cops that is happening now and more frequently than with other ethnicities
It is obvious that all lives matter, BLM only wants people to focus on the crisis at hand
If I had my way I would have named the Org BLMA, Black Lives Matter Also
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:43 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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BLM is simply saying pay attention to this crisis with Blacks and the Cops that is happening now and more frequently than with other ethnicities
Here’s the problem. The data doesn’t support that.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:43 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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No one is saying other lives don't matter, BLM is simply saying pay attention to this crisis with Blacks and the Cops that is happening now and more frequently than with other ethnicities
Except that isn't true if we agree that higher crime rates = more police interactions.
If we go off of that, whites are actually dying at the hands of cops disproportionately.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:43 am to SidewalkTiger
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Why do you believe this is?
Simple racism?
Some deep bias because blacks commit more violent crime per capita?
I'm not God; I don't presume to know what people are thinking or feeling. If I were to guess based on a history of power structures, then I would likely say that it is built on keeping those in power, in power. Be it based on race, wealth, profession or other.
I doubt anyone here would argue that rich people are way more likely to get away with something that those with less wealth. Part of that is the wealth itself (affording better lawyers, etc) and part of that is the inherent nature of seeing wealthy people as "better". Wealthy people help those in power (donations, etc) and therefor receive great benefit from those in power.
Is it really hard to think if I, an upper middle class white male, am accused of carrying some pot, that I'm more likely to get a warning or community service than a lower middle class black male? What part, in that scenario, led me to have the benefit of the doubt? My money? My skin? A combination of both?
The reasons it happens are systemic, but the law can be made irrefutable. We simply have not chosen to bother with doing so because the power structure prefers it the way it is.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:47 am to SidewalkTiger
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Okay? And OJ didnt face any jail time for killing two white people. We can go all day long with anecdotal evidence.
Horrible example
OJ was found not guilty by a JURY OF HIS PEERS
The Stanford Swimmer pleaded guilty and then benefitted from the "white criminal justice system" as opposed to the criminal justice system that blacks face
Difference is, my anecdotal evidence is more fair than yours
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:49 am to Mithridates6
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Did you? George Floyd was a career criminal career walking free LINK /
Wild guess that we're talking about different reports here. I never mentioned George Floyd in anything, so I'm not sure how his criminal history invalidates an entire study.
I am also not sure how it eliminates his right to due process in favor of a public execution.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:52 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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OJ was found not guilty by a JURY OF HIS PEERS
The Stanford Swimmer pleaded guilty and then benefitted from the "white criminal justice system" as opposed to the criminal justice system that blacks face
Difference is, my anecdotal evidence is more fair than yours
Not really, you'd say the jury was racist if vice versa.
Everything is racist to someone like you, if you cant find any real racism, you'll manufacture it.
Also, the Stanford swimmer didn't prove guilty.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:55 am to skrayper
Isn’t Trump’s Crime Reform action going to help address the sentencing bias?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:57 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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I'm trying to be calm here, bear with me
The theory behind BLM is similar to a Fire Truck that goes into a Subdivision with 50 homes
Only 1 home is on fire
Can you imagine the guy in charge saying we need to put water on these other houses because all houses are important to their owners?
Of course not, you take your Fire Truck to the house that is on Fire and you get water on it and try to save it if you can
The theory behind BLM is that is where the crisis(fire) is WRT police interactions (police & minorities)
No one is saying other lives don't matter, BLM is simply saying pay attention to this crisis with Blacks and the Cops that is happening now and more frequently than with other ethnicities
It is obvious that all lives matter, BLM only wants people to focus on the crisis at hand
If I had my way I would have named the Org BLMA, Black Lives Matter Also
Who started this dumbass shite? I've seen people say some version of it for the past 2 days.
It's nothing at all like that. You are pretending other houses aren't on fire when they are.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:03 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Except that isn't true if we agree that higher crime rates = more police interactions.
If we go off of that, whites are actually dying at the hands of cops disproportionately
Higher crime rates only tell half of the Story
Many poor and or Majority Black Communities are "over policed" in order to balance the book financially for that municipality
I like to call Cops tax collectors with guns, because a lot of what they do is target poor & Minority populations for petty arrests that lead to fines, impound fees, court fees, probation fees and other fees that I can't think of now
Those same petty crimes they focus on in Minority Communities they can make those same arrests within a 1 mile radius outside any major college campus, but they don't because arresting white college kids is bad for the public image of the police
After the Mike Brown death in Ferguson Mizzou, the US Justice Dept did a study of the Ferguson Police Dept and the results of that study showed that Ferguson's Black Communities were over-policed for the express purpose of generating Money for the City to help balance their budget, without those petty arrests and fines, the City of Ferguson would have operated at a DEFICT every year, they called it "policing for profit"
So in some parts of America, those higher crime rates for Blacks are greatly assisted by intentional local policies (over policing) that work against poor & minority Communities
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:04 pm to lastfan
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Isn’t Trump’s Crime Reform action going to help address the sentencing bias?
I don't know what this is.
If you mean the First Step Act, that was introduced by Republican Rep. Douglas Collins of GA. If you mean the Next Step Act, that was introduced (but not yet voted on) by Democratic Senator Cory Booker of NY.
I know Trump, back in April of 2019, mentioned a Second Step Act but he has not proposed any such bill to Congress since mentioning it.
That said, I am not a fan of Trump and his criminal justice ideas. The expansion of Civil Forfeiture and and increased use of private prisons are my main points of contention in regards to his policies on the subject.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:09 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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I like to call Cops tax collectors with guns, because a lot of what they do is target poor & Minority populations for petty arrests that lead to fines, impound fees, court fees, probation fees and other fees that I can't think of now
Not saying this isn't true but it seems dumb to try to extract money from poor areas when a majority of those residents either can't or won't pay your fines.
Seems smarter to use your manpower to target law abiding middle class people with petty traffic offenses.
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After the Mike Brown death in Ferguson Mizzou, the US Justice Dept did a study of the Ferguson Police Dept and the results of that study showed that Ferguson's Black Communities were over-policed for the express purpose of generating Money for the City to help balance their budget
If memory serves correct, Ferguson is like 70% black so most communities in Ferguson would be regarded as "black communities."
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So in some parts of America, those higher crime rates for Blacks are greatly assisted by intentional local policies that work against poor & minority Communities
It'd have to be a major assist to bring black males who are like 6% of the population up to committing like 52% of violent crimes, crimes the police departments and cities aren't making money off of and actually have to pay to incarcerate the criminals.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:11 pm to skrayper
You're talking about disproportionate sentencing when he was paroled after 5 years for home invasion/armed robbery.
Yes that's obviously what I meant
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I am also not sure how it eliminates his right to due process in favor of a public execution.
Yes that's obviously what I meant
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:14 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Blacks are as likely as whites to have police-initiated contact at 11%, i.e. not fricking likely. There is no "systemic racism" LINK
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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Who started this dumbass shite? I've seen people say some version of it for the past 2 days.
It's nothing at all like that. You are pretending other houses aren't on fire when they are
Your story is that police interactions between Cops and other ethnicities are equally as bad as interactions between police and minorities?
When is the last time a white female died when a no knock warrant was executed in the middle of the night at the wrong house when the guy they were looking for was already arrested and in custody
IMO , if the fugitive was deserving of a no knock warrant (reserved for the most dangerous Perps), his name should've been flagged nationwide so as soon as he was arrested the Louisville Cops would have known they were planning a MIDNIGHT RAID on the wrong address and that the Perp they were hunting was already in custody
But yeah, all houses are on fire, keep on believing that if that's what makes you feel better
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:16 pm to Mithridates6
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You're talking about disproportionate sentencing when he was paroled after 5 years for home invasion/armed robbery.
I'm referring to a case study involving millions.
You're referring to a single individual.
That's like saying, "Seat belts kill people because of this one guy in Florida who died because he got stuck on his seat belt when his car drove off a bridge into water".
Also, parole does not equal sentencing, only the possible time one is eligible for it.
This study confirms that similar biases impact probation and parole just as much as sentencing.
NICIC.gov
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:17 pm to skrayper
It’s the First Step act I was referring to.
The announcement came at a news conference to discuss the Trump administration’s progress on putting into place the First Step Act, a criminal justice bill President Trump signed into law in December. Officials also announced they were redirecting $75 million in funding for fiscal 2019 to help with implementation of the act and instituting a new system that will assess inmates’ risk of reoffending and provide tailored programming that could help them get out earlier.
Wash Post Article
The announcement came at a news conference to discuss the Trump administration’s progress on putting into place the First Step Act, a criminal justice bill President Trump signed into law in December. Officials also announced they were redirecting $75 million in funding for fiscal 2019 to help with implementation of the act and instituting a new system that will assess inmates’ risk of reoffending and provide tailored programming that could help them get out earlier.
Wash Post Article
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:18 pm to skrayper
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What part, in that scenario, led me to have the benefit of the doubt? My money? My skin? A combination of both?
If America were "systematically racist", it'd be damn near impossible for a representative of a 13% minority group to be elected president.
The real biases in this country are rich vs poor in my opinion outside of just your average personal biases.
One will always be more somewhat biased toward those of their own color, its just human nature.
I dont believe that minorities are currently systematically oppressed simply due to skin color however.
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