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re: Oklahoma committee votes to ban HS AP courses
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:19 pm to notsince98
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:19 pm to notsince98
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Instead of offering AP, why not utilize the resources to lower the teacher:student ratio and use existing funds more efficiently?
That's not how school budgeting works. Eliminating a few AP classes isn't going to free up money to suddenly hire 5-10 new teachers and to build a new wing of classrooms with all new desks.
If anything, classes should be holding all students to the standards of an AP course. The majority of the time when students are underprepared for college, it's not because they simply lack the trivial background knowledge necessary to function as an individual. Rather, they lack the capacity to function under the pressures that independent living and collegiate expectations ask of them. AP courses teach kids how to roll with the punches of a demanding schedule, how to problem solve, and how to communicate. More importantly, they teach students how to learn from failure, something that has been completely lost on the current educational system.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:21 pm
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:22 pm to notsince98
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That is exactly the point. Why offer options when schools aren't even covering the basics well enough. Instead of offering AP, why not utilize the resources to lower the teacher:student ratio and use existing funds more efficiently? Government wastes so much money but schools are arguably worse, at least public schools.
You could do both. If anything a more productive school encourages academic rigor and advancement of all students.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:23 pm to Person of interest
The dumbing down of the American educational system has picked up speed in Oklahoma. I don't understand the bias against gifted students in our country. We seem to want to lift the challenged kids up and to pull the gifted students down. Is there another country that does that?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:23 pm to tylerdurden24
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classes should be holding all students to the standards of an AP course
Naw, man. We don't need more college students. Unless we're going to put them in useful college majors and we don't do that.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
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Naw, man. We don't need more college students. Unless we're going to put them in useful college majors and we don't do that.
I didn't say give everyone AP credit. In fact, I'm of the mind that we should be encouraging students to pursue all options after HS graduation (from trade and tech schools to simply taking a year or two to work a small job before going back to school).
What I said was hold everyone to those AP expectations. It has been proven that if you hold all students to the same high expectations in a classroom, all students will improve. They may not end up on the same level by year's end, but they will have improved relative to where they began. And THAT is a pursuit of education that has been lost with standardized testing. AP courses simply hold students to a high standard. The AP Exam isn't even a required part of most AP courses.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:09 pm to tylerdurden24
I agree with that. It just doesn't have anything really to do with AP classes.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:19 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Oklahoma is such a shitty fricking state. It and kansas provide absolutely zero to the country
Isn't this why we gave it to the Indians?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:26 pm to 5thTiger
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If anything, US history should focus on some of our darker spots in our history. I know I certainly didn't learn enough about civil rights and the Trail of Tears. We can't just forget about things that happened. We need to be taught that our country isn't all "star spangled awesome" so we can learn from our mistakes.
They dont want you to learn from "the mistakes" which is why they are trying to push a revision of history called American Exceptionalism.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:27 pm to Person of interest
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Okies making the Arkansas Legislature look smart.
If you read Dan Fisher's bio, he was born and raised in Van Buren, AR, and is a graduate of Van Buren High School, Westark Community College and Arkansas Tech University.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:35 pm to Evolved Simian
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If you read Dan Fisher's bio, he was born and raised in Van Buren, AR, and is a graduate of Van Buren High School, Westark Community College and Arkansas Tech University.
Why am I not surprised. You can tell when the Leg is in session, every village is missing an idiot.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:41 pm to notsince98
I took quite a few AP classes in high school and it didn't prevent me from doing anything. I wasn't overloaded with work. I still had plenty of time to play sports and everything else. I'm sorry you had shitty teachers that didn't prepare you for college. I didn't take any of the AP tests to get college credit, because I figured I could take some classes my first year that I was familiar with. Turns out that I was right. My first year in college was pretty easy because I took AP cal, chemistry, English, and econ in high school. I also took 2 semesters of AP American history in high school but I didn't take any history classes in college.
ETA: The AP classes were my favorite classes in high school, with the exception of AP English. I had great teachers for all of them. They were easily the best teachers at the school.
ETA: The AP classes were my favorite classes in high school, with the exception of AP English. I had great teachers for all of them. They were easily the best teachers at the school.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:54 pm to pvilleguru
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I took quite a few AP classes in high school and it didn't prevent me from doing anything. I wasn't overloaded with work. I still had plenty of time to play sports and everything else. I'm sorry you had shitty teachers that didn't prepare you for college.
This. I had excellent AP teachers. I only took AP history and English though.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:59 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Oklahoma is such a shitty fricking state. It and kansas provide absolutely zero to the country.
Tru
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:04 pm to pvilleguru
AP Chem was hard as Hell, but still glad I took it. Only class in grade school I made a C in, although it counted as a B.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:10 pm to Person of interest
It seems so odd to me that Republicans would want textbooks to be statist propaganda.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:35 pm to Person of interest
Keep the AP classes hell expand them but do away with standardized testing
Posted on 2/17/15 at 3:49 pm to Person of interest
No student is forced to take an AP class; if a student's parent thinks an AP course is anti American, then the kid can take a non-AP class. It's ridiculous to deny students the opportunity to take an AP course.
AP classes prepare students for college; usually, a school hires the better teachers as instructors of AP courses, and, most importantly (if this is still in place) many colleges offer college credits to students who score 4/5 on the exam.
AP classes prepare students for college; usually, a school hires the better teachers as instructors of AP courses, and, most importantly (if this is still in place) many colleges offer college credits to students who score 4/5 on the exam.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 4:59 pm to Volmanac
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It seems so odd to me that Republicans would want textbooks to be statist propaganda.
American exceptionalism flies in the face of the current governmental theories and ideals.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 5:23 pm to notsince98
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It shouldn't be the governments job to challenge a bored child, that is the job of the parents.
frick it, let's just get rid of all schools!
Posted on 2/17/15 at 5:25 pm to Person of interest
Good.
The more our kids avoid liberal indoctrination in public schools by studying revisionist history, the better.
The more our kids avoid liberal indoctrination in public schools by studying revisionist history, the better.
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