re: It's official: The Don is president (elect)!

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The moment Trump found out he won

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It appears I was wrong, Trump water does actually exist.

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Just think about it...Obama is going to leave office THIS YEAR and we will have a Republican president!

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I don't think Republican is going to mean the same thing under Trump as it has to this point. That's a good thing. He's going to continue to shake things up.

Don't talk about OUR president like that.

GOP tends to do that already, tbh. You are just very against religion. You make it clear all the time

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GOP tends to do that already, tbh. You are just very against religion. You make it clear all the time

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Are you seriously saying that Evangilicals haven't been in control of the Republican Party for the past 20 years and haven't put their social conservative agenda above both economic issues and international policies? That there hasn't been a religious litmus test for Republican candidates for approval from the Evangilicals?

Oh, sorry, I forgot you're an Evangelical.

I'm not anti-religion at all, just anti religion in government.

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I can't remember Catfan's response. Was it something like, "Oh, suck my clit?"

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She told me on several occasions to suck her dick. Or her geoduck.

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Are you seriously saying that Evangilicals haven't been in control of the Republican Party for the past 20 years and haven't put their social conservative agenda above both economic issues and international policies?

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He's just right here, you can take it for what it's worth.

If the GOP focused exclusively on foreign policy and economics they would literally win every election from here unto forever.

But when they try to ban gay marriage (this is a religious opposed topic), abortion, stem-cell research and other hot button issues, it just drives people left.

When they say ''states rights'' I think they're on the right track, but I think it should be ''individual rights''.

We could go down this road forever, though.

He's just right. Even if he's anti-religious in government, the Republicans sandbag the frick out of their party by being too focused on telling you what's moral and what's not. (Which cost the Democrats this election, as a by the way.)

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If the GOP focused exclusively on foreign policy and economics they would literally win every election from here unto forever.

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I agree. My folks were die-hard Republicans until the Evangelicals co-opted the party. My Dad switched to the Democrats because he strongly felt that religion didn't belong in government or vice versa. My Mom stayed with the Republicans but also wasn't happy that one religious group became so dominant within the GOP.

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But when they try to ban gay marriage (this is a religious opposed topic), abortion, stem-cell research and other hot button issues, it just drives people left.

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From my outside perspective, it just seemed that anti-gay rights and anti-abortion were the most important issues to so many Republicans for so long. And you're right about driving people to the Democratic Party. I think most Americans don't want their representatives concentrating on social issues. The most important issues to a majority of people are safety, food and shelter. That means the military and jobs in a healthy economy. I think Trump's election proves this.

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We could go down this road forever, though.

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That's my fear and it's based on politics since Nixon. We have been swinging between the Democrats and Republicans ever since and the rhetoric has gotten to be absurd. That's why I'm hoping that Trump represents change on a monumental level, not just change back to a rancid Republican "value system" that's heavily laced with a social agenda and then back to an equally rotten Democratic platform that focuses on welfare and vote farming.

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the Republicans sandbag the frick out of their party by being too focused on telling you what's moral and what's not. (Which cost the Democrats this election, as a by the way.)

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Right again. I'm sick of politicians telling us what's morally right and wrong. Morals are personal and are determined by the value system we learned when growing up. No two people are the same and there's just no way any politician can offer a set of morals that every person, or even most persons, will accept. Furthermore, it's not their role to do that.

I personally am not religious but I would fight to keep the Constitutional right for others to be so. The Constitution guarantees that the government will stay out of a person's religion. I think it's just as important that that person's religion stays out of government because, like morals, there is no one religion that is right for everyone and it sure isn't a politician's role to say it is.

so if a politician says rape is wrong, do you have a problem with that?

abortion isn't about religion. that's your debate trick. it is about ethics.

your rhetoric is so dumb.