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re: If the NFL doesn't enforce its own rules, why should teams and players have to?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:37 am to CNB
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:37 am to CNB
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All of those have more significant (relatively) meanings than "THAT FOOTBALL PLAYER AINT STANDIN FOR MUH FLAG AND ANTHEM"
Oh, you are a fricking leftist
explains a lot
AND anybody offended is borderline illiterate?
definitely leftist
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:06 am to gthog61
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AND anybody offended is borderline illiterate?
I think if you're offended by this, you need to take a long look at yourself.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:30 pm to coachcrisp
Have you ever had a boss in your life? I'm doubting they adhered 100% to their standards at all time... but that's the beauty of owning a business.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:40 pm to CNB
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All of those have more significant (relatively) meanings than "THAT FOOTBALL PLAYER AINT STANDIN FOR MUH FLAG AND ANTHEM"
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:52 pm to coachcrisp
I never had a problem with someone that wants to protest. However, the place and time these NFL players are protesting, in my opinion, is disrespectful. I am active duty and have served overseas. I just think that when the national anthem is played and the colors are presented...everyone should be respectful of that. Players that protested over the weekend said it was about unity. However, how can unity be shown when a large portion of the country disagree's with the way they are protesting? A majority of those who protested Sunday never protested before a game. Most of them protested because of comments that were made by one man. While I support the President, the national anthem and Flag is not the sole symbols of him and him alone. It represents the ones that has given their lives for this country and the one that has served or is currently defending our freedom. It also represents the people that has worked hard in this country and help make this country the greatest in the world. With these players protesting....why did they pick this time to do it? Majority of these players makes millions of dollars and have a media platform that a lot of people doesn't have. They have plenty of time and the platforms to do this during the week. Everyone in the country has the right to share their beliefs and take a stand but I also believe there is a right time and place to do it. Again, this is my opinion.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:30 pm to coachcrisp
That rule doesn't exist. Did you copy/ paste this from Facebook? Its fake. There are no rules regarding the National Anthem.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 9:43 am to BhamDore
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That rule doesn't exist. Did you copy/ paste this from Facebook? Its fake. There are no rules regarding the National Anthem.
Yes, there are.
It's in the Games Operation Manual.
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The league goes to great lengths to provide a consistent, fair, and TV- and fan-friendly product. It’s imperative that the games are decided on the field, between the two teams. The NFL Football Operations “bible” is the Game Operations Manual — nearly 200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone.
The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs — the other two are for administrative and business operations, and media and public relations — and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness.
NFL.com
An NFL spokesman even commented on it to a reporter from Time Magazine:
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"The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest," reads the NFL's website. "Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance."
The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.
Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Time.com
So, yeah. There are rules regarding the National Anthem in the NFL.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 12:42 pm to coachcrisp
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should stand at attention
I wish the fans would learn the proper way to honor the Anthem and stop putting their hands over their hearts like they are saying the pledge.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:02 pm to TideSaint
So the steelers broke the guideline, but its the home team's responsibility is what I am getting. But it also doesnt say they will be definitively punished if not following guidelines with the use of "may"
As far as the other demonstrators, it looks like they are fine as is states "should"
As far as the other demonstrators, it looks like they are fine as is states "should"
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:05 pm to SamuelClemens
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I wish the fans would learn the proper way to honor the Anthem and stop putting their hands over their hearts like they are saying the pledge.
You are also supposed salute the flag during the anthem, when it is present. for civilians, that is hands over hearts.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:36 pm to NYCAuburn
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So the steelers broke the guideline, but its the home team's responsibility is what I am getting. But it also doesnt say they will be definitively punished if not following guidelines with the use of "may"
I don't think any team should be punished, I'm just pointing out that the guidelines/rules do in fact exist.
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As far as the other demonstrators, it looks like they are fine as is states "should"
They shouldn't be punished either, but it does give a lot of leeway in that statement.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:59 pm to TideSaint
I am a free speech guy, let them do what they want to do, but be prepared for the free market reaction.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:35 am to coachcrisp
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The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states:
Go look that up, it's not in there.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 7:36 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:56 am to MoarKilometers
quote:I've certainly worked for numerous bosses in my life, BUT the NFL isn't the "boss" of the players...the owner is.....big difference. The NFL makes the RULES for the owners and players....it's an ORGANIZATION, whereas, the owners employ the players.
Have you ever had a boss in your life? I'm doubting they adhered 100% to their standards at all time... but that's the beauty of owning a business.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:53 pm to NYCAuburn
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I am a free speech guy, let them do what they want to do, but be prepared for the free market reaction.
Agreed.
I don't see this as a free speech issue at all. I see it as an issue of what personal actions employers (NFL owners) will tolerate from their employees (NFL players). People are fired all the time for actions that aren't illegal but reflect poorly on a company, and I don't think too many companies want employees bringing their political demonstrations into the workplace.
But, in my opinion, the key difference here is that NFL players have more leverage with their employers than your typical 9 to 5 worker because of their rare skills. NFL players work in a extremely competitive industry in which very, very few people can do their jobs as well as they can. There are a lot more people who can hand out loans at some bank than can play FS for an NFL team. Therefore, NFL players get more slack not just with this issue but with their many legal issues as well. Things that would normally get an employee fired from a regular job are often forgiven in the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:01 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:It's ashamed that the owners and league don't come together to fine offenders a % on their annual salary for each offense...that'd put the brakes on the problem.
Agreed.
I don't see this as a free speech issue at all. I see it as an issue of what personal actions employers (NFL owners) will tolerate from their employees (NFL players). People are fired all the time for actions that aren't illegal but reflect poorly on a company, and I don't think too many companies want employees bringing their political demonstrations into the workplace.
But, in my opinion, the key difference here is that NFL players have more leverage with their employers than your typical 9 to 5 worker because of their rare skills. NFL players work in a extremely competitive industry in which very, very few people can do their jobs as well as they can. There are a lot more people who can hand out loans at some bank than can play FS for an NFL team. Therefore, NFL players get more slack not just with this issue but with their many legal issues as well. Things that would normally get an employee fired from a regular job are often forgiven in the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:04 pm to Globetrotter747
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don't see this as a free speech issue at all. I see it as an issue of what personal actions employers (NFL owners) will tolerate from their employees (NFL players). People are fired all the time for actions that aren't illegal but reflect poorly on a company, and I don't think too many companies want employees bringing their political demonstrations into the workplace.
I think what you are trying to say is the free market aspect of my quote. The players have the right to say whatever they want, but they don't have the right to employment
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:22 pm to NYCAuburn
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I think what you are trying to say is the free market aspect of my quote. The players have the right to say whatever they want, but they don't have the right to employment
Right. I just kind of elaborated on it.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:39 pm to CNB
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I just want a vagina hat
Seems vagina gloves would be way more useful
Posted on 10/3/17 at 7:43 pm to NYCAuburn
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I am a free speech guy, let them do what they want to do, but be prepared for the free market reaction.
In the end the players will just get to stay in the locker room longer which is probably what they really wanted in the first place. The younger generation is all about the "me" not the "we" and are one of the best talent for goldbricking in the past 100 years.
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