re: How many thousands of years until current believers give up?

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What makes you think the earth is 6 billion years old?

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The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface. The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.


While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.

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The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface. The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.


While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.

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You do know that radiometric dating can and does have margins of error in the 3-400% ranges, right?

While I do not know how old the earth is it is closer to 10,000 than 4 billion years old.

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That's it. That's the only difference.

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Except the small part you left out where a cult KILLS other that won't convert or speak negatively against the cult.

It's also in their Koran.

That's a small tiny detail the makes em different that I'm sure you just mistakenly overlooked.

A lot of younger people say they're religious almost purely for the sake of being religious. Believing in a "higher power" and not defining it at all, for me, is irreligousness or atheism. Pantheism, etc. etc..

I think it's very difficult to keep believing because, well, the books have obvious contradictions and at this point I have to question if it can sustain itself without having another change in its philosophy.

The debates are also waking people up -- and that's a big deal. Debates are so important. If you're an atheist or you're religious, you should watch debates.

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Except the small part you left out where a cult KILLS other that won't convert or speak negatively against the cult.

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Religions do that, too. Christians did it for centuries, and some (not all of course, or even a majority, kinda like muslims with terrorism) Christian preachers STILL advocate for the killing of certain types of sinners.

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It's also in their Koran.

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And in your Bible. Deuteronomy 13 and 17, Numbers 31, etc.

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That's a small tiny detail the makes em different that I'm sure you just mistakenly overlooked.

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Didn't overlook that difference because it doesn't exist.

I have no idea how old the Earth is. I am a religious person who does not see a conflict between science and divinity. Having said that be wary of science on things like this because the it is extreme guess work that gets treated like fact. Like how it was treated as fact that the expansion of the universe was slowing down until it was treated like a fact that it is speeding up. Its all educated guesswork.

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This is more than material to me. Its my personal crusade.

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Funny you put it that way. So I'm on a crusade. A crusade AGAINST Christians.

Classic plot twist.

In a few thousand years we be able to scientifically confirm religion. Maybe not in the exact sense of any current religion, but in the sense of discovering other dimensions or other forms of intelligence or life that we don't currently know about that would be close to what our current idea of a higher power is