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re: How many thousands of years until current believers give up?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:53 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:53 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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That's what they said about Christianity 2000+ years ago too. Christianity will never disappear BC Christ will never disappear. Buddas dead, Muhammed is dead, Jesus is not
When I was a Christian, I hated when another Christian sounded like you. A complete lack of ability to think linearly.
Embarrassing.
What about the thousand religions that came and went before Christianity? Did people say those would never die out also?
And you can't say Jesus is alive if he's only alive in another dimension. We're talking real world here. He's as alive as the others. You don't get to just say your deity is still alive and make it be true without the burden of evidence.
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:11 pm to Stacked
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When I was a Christian, I hated when another Christian sounded like you. A complete lack of ability to think linearly.
Embarrassing.
What about the thousand religions that came and went before Christianity? Did people say those would never die out also?
And you can't say Jesus is alive if he's only alive in another dimension. We're talking real world here. He's as alive as the others.
What I hope is that you start to put all your thought exercises towards some productive problems. I know that in your head, saying that you used to think one way, and now think another, is sort of affirmation in itself of your way of thinking. To you, of course it is. It shows progress and growth. But no one really cares about your opinions any more than you care about theirs. Calling people embarrassing doesn't really accomplish anything. Maybe you should try and figure out how to focus all this energy you spend on these religious threads and see if you can expend that helping your fellow man. I'm sure your local church has a food pantry.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
The thing is, is that the Old Testament has or should have little to no bearing on Christian doctrine.
Unless you think Christians slaughter lambs and offer them up as burnt offerings, take baths everytime they have sex, won't eat pork, and keep their wool and flax separated.
Unless you think Christians slaughter lambs and offer them up as burnt offerings, take baths everytime they have sex, won't eat pork, and keep their wool and flax separated.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:18 pm to Stacked
It sad that you are so bitter and hateful. If you ever learn to see past your own nose and learn that there are much bigger things than yourself and the hate that you harbor and nurture so dearly, then you may actually find true joy. If you think that the physical realm is all there is, you are the one who is very disillusioned.
...edit:. I'm really not trying to pile on you. I respect the fact that you've had something obviously terrible happen to turn you away from God, but blaming him for the fact that we live in a sin-tainted, filthy world is not the answer. I hope you someday (before you die) come to the point where you honestly seek him and listen to the Spirit. He still loves you, even though you obviously despise him.
...edit:. I'm really not trying to pile on you. I respect the fact that you've had something obviously terrible happen to turn you away from God, but blaming him for the fact that we live in a sin-tainted, filthy world is not the answer. I hope you someday (before you die) come to the point where you honestly seek him and listen to the Spirit. He still loves you, even though you obviously despise him.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:23 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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That's what they said about Christianity 2000+ years ago too. Christianity will never disappear BC Christ will never disappear. Buddas dead, Muhammed is dead, Jesus is not.
Well, according to folks like you, Jesus was teenager 2000 years ago.
At that age, his baptism, temptation, and transfiguration, his Proclamation, passion, and crucifixion, and his resurrection, great commission, and ascension--none of these had taken place yet.
Soooooo, I doubt "That's what they said about Christianity 2000+ years ago too. "
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:23 pm to Volatile
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The thing is, is that the Old Testament has or should have little to no bearing on Christian doctrine.
Jesus is God. Either the Old Testament God is the same as the New Testament God or he's not. Pick a horse and ride.
It was always funny how much Christians want to draw a line in the sand to dissaccociate from the Old Testament God and the things like incest, murder and destruction he condoned. Jesus is God. And God is never changing. Either Jesus is the Old Testament God or he isn't. Unless your God has split personalities. Which a good argument could certainly be made.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:25 pm to CrimsonTideMD
He may have been a teenager then, but he's always been God. Christianity didn't start with his birth... it's always been.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:26 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:27 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
Yes yes. That makes sense. Just say whatever you want and make it so.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:30 pm to CrimsonTideMD
My facts are straight, and God is not a fairy tale. Besides, they're not even my facts. Just simple truth.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 7:56 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Christianity didn't start with his birth... it's always been.
Except it hasnt been. It was diverged from Judaism so that the roman empire could have its own version monotheism. They even twisted it from the original christians (melkites), who like the jews, didnt believe in the fake jesus story. The church and religion has always been about power and control. Which is why the atheist Emperor Constantine adopted the religion into the polytheist empire.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 8:03 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
I think our definition of Christianity is slightly different. I'm not talking about Roman Catholicism.
...besides, the people the Romans took it from DEFINATELY believed in Jesus. They were the church he established before his ascension. After the Catholics adopted the word as their own, they christened the people they took it from "Anabaptists" which means re-baptized, or re-born. This is BC the R Catholics believed that one could be baptized at birth and that qualified a person for heaven. The Anabaptists believed that one must be "born again", or what we know as Saved.. it is a spiritual rebirth.
...besides, the people the Romans took it from DEFINATELY believed in Jesus. They were the church he established before his ascension. After the Catholics adopted the word as their own, they christened the people they took it from "Anabaptists" which means re-baptized, or re-born. This is BC the R Catholics believed that one could be baptized at birth and that qualified a person for heaven. The Anabaptists believed that one must be "born again", or what we know as Saved.. it is a spiritual rebirth.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/4/16 at 4:19 am to Stacked
that's not necessarily true. Hindiusm is essentially 5,000 years old. Which is basically the bronze age which is basically as long as human civilization )not humans themselves) as we know it has really been around.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 4:45 am to BlackPawnMartyr
quote:This is quintessentially Pascal's wager.
There are no atheists in foxholes or hell.
In the 1600's Blaise Pascal basically made a logical conclusion to believe in god. Stating that it makes no sense to not believe in god, becuase if you don't believe in god and he does exist you go to hell. If you do believe in god and he doesn't exist, nothing happens anyway.
I've always taken the stance that if there is a god, and he is omniscient and omnipotent, wouldn't he know that you really don't have faith in him and that you are just going through the motions just to get in hell? The entire point of the Beatitudes in the New Testament, okay not all of it but a hell of a lot of it dealt with false prophets and fake Christians who wouldn't get into heaven. In the Devine Comedy, Dante's Inferno's first level of hell, Limbo, is devoted to these people.. virtuous atheists, non believers who led good lives
Actually, according to the bible and to God you're better off being a true non believer but living a good live then pretending to believe in something that you don't. In the bible Jesus died and went down to hell to get Moses, Abraham, etc who were not baptized, and took them to heaven. Believing in god "just so you can get in heven in case there is one" is fraud, and that's the 8th, the next to last, level of hell.
I depiste modern day Christians. They've watered it down to the point that all you have to do is "believe' and you get in heaven and every last one of them will go to hell, if the bible is true. The people who love god but hate "urban youths" are going to hell. The people who go to church then go to the club and have pre martial sex are going to hell. The people who do not tithe are going to hell. The people who do not share with the unfortunate are going to hell. According to the bible. But hey, frick all that lol that's hard. All you need to do is come and put some money in this collection plate and it's all good . God I hate Christians.
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Christianity didn't start with his birth... it's always been.
according to the bible, everyone in the bible up until jesus's death.. accept Job, who for some reason was allowed to assent directly to heaven, was in hell. That's the reason Jesus took 3 days to raise from the dead, he wsa in hell getting all the non baptized.
Which if you think about it is kinda fricked up lol. "Hey Abraham, bro.. i want you to kill your son. Do it ****. Do it lol. I'm just playing lol don't do it. Oh and you're going to hell"
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 4:48 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:21 am to vengeanceofrain
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They've watered it down to the point that all you have to do is "believe' and you get in heaven and every last one of them will go to hell, if the bible is true. The people who love god but hate "urban youths" are going to hell. The people who go to church then go to the club and have pre martial sex are going to hell. The people who do not tithe are going to hell. The people who do not share with the unfortunate are going to hell. According to the bible. But hey, frick all that lol that's hard. All you need to do is come and put some money in this collection plate and it's all good . God I hate Christians.
Do you have any openings for new friends?
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 10:28 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:27 am to vengeanceofrain
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Which if you think about it is kinda fricked up lol. "Hey Abraham, bro.. i want you to kill your son. Do it ****. Do it lol. I'm just playing lol don't do it. Oh and you're going to hell"
I'd wager the majority of people in this thread and 95% of Christians in general aren't aware of what you're even talking about regarding Jesus going to hell.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:57 am to cas4t
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Just let people live their lives how they want and you do the same. If there is no God, then what's the difference? Maybe they'll do some good in society in the name of their God. You're the epitome of the atheist stereotype that just can't wait to put some Christian in their place. It comes across as an insecurity no matter how arrogant you intentionally try to come across. And I'm non religious.
Speaking the troof.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:06 am to Stacked
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I'd wager the majority of people in this thread and 95% of Christians in general aren't aware of what you're even talking about regarding Jesus going to hell.
Never stated explicitly.
That's an interpretation, some would say conjecture. Apologetics attempting to reconcile the text with traditional Hebrew beliefs and construct a workable doctrine.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:09 am to CrimsonTideMD
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:21 am to CrimsonTideMD
This is why Christians are told they're supposed to just have faith. Because if you held the bible to any kind of standard it wouldn't stand by itself. Faith is the mud holding the shack together. When a part of the shack becomes exposed, you just put more mud over it.
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